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Here is a perfect place for everyone to talk about anything they want that doesn't contribute anything for helping others get laid.
Talltreeman
08-14-10, 01:53
Fucking Amen!
Thank you Getnati.
Nkykinkyguy
08-14-10, 10:13
I wonder if anyone will listen Nati? LOL!
KG
Here is a perfect place for everyone to talk about anything they want that doesn't contribute anything for helping others get laid.
I wonder if anyone will listen Nati? LOL!
KG
Well, if my word is the "bible" lol. Now we can say what the fuck ever! Oh, by the way, I PM'd Kit E requesting a photo of her again with my name handwritten holding it up.....oh yeah, and asking if she wanted to fuck. I also posted a link to this funny ass video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vawa2t1m5kI
Sorry to say that she declined both offers. Her loss.
Well, if my word is the "bible" lol. Now we can say what the fuck ever! Oh, by the way, I PM'd Kit E requesting a photo of her again with my name handwritten holding it up.....oh yeah, and asking if she wanted to fuck. I also posted a link to this funny ass video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vawa2t1m5kI
Sorry to say that she declined both offers. Her loss.
I also sent her a PM with some advice. Also said if she decide to try to contact me. Never got a reply.
I also sent her a PM with some advice. Also said if she decide to try to contact me. Never got a reply.
You actually took it literally what "it" was saying? Although if for some odd reason it was ALL true and she ended up fucking you, that would be the ultimate ownage. I still wouldn't put it past that it could be LE.
Member #3974
08-15-10, 07:39
This section should be renamed "assman's section" since 99. 9% of what I post really belongs here. Thanks for the new section, I will use it alot.
Happy hunting brothers
This section should be renamed "assman's section" since 99. 9% of what I post really belongs here. Thanks for the new section, I will use it alot.
Happy hunting brothers
If I could edit the name of the thread I would.
THANK YOU Getnati! for following through with this idea!
I would agree that it won't attract all of the Rants, Raves, and Opinions, but hopefully it will help. This was a suggestion that I made a while ago. Whether Getnati saw my post or not, I'm glad the thread is here.
There will always be those who want to reply "in-line" to a previous comment. That probably won't get moved to this thread, if for no other reason than continuity or convenience. Either way, it might alleviate some of the problem and the resultant complaints.
Thanks guys!
JR
I do like the idea. I fear it won't really attract all of it from the other threads, but you never know.
Well, if my word is the "bible" lol. Now we can say what the fuck ever! Oh, by the way, I PM'd Kit E requesting a photo of her again with my name handwritten holding it up.....oh yeah, and asking if she wanted to fuck. I also posted a link to this funny ass video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vawa2t1m5kI
Sorry to say that she declined both offers. Her loss.
You should have just offered her a cheeseburger. Although in Cincinnati you might get a better response offering her a three-way.
Since, I don't want to clutter the "real" thread with this post.
This week's drama is about Sara's (Tonguetwister) screening and scheduling methods. Check out the Escort Reports thread.
Personally, based on her clarification reply, her process does not seem unreasonable. As long as she is responding to emails (with the exception of the "Hey Baby, I want to see you" generic emails). I think she is perfectly in the right to screen as much as she wants and to decline anyone who doesn't meet her expectations. As long as those expectations are clear, there should be no drama at all.
Just my thoughts!
Go Sara!
Be well and safe,
JR
Excellent! Someone finally post this bullshit in the right spot!
Since, I don't want to clutter the "real" thread with this post.
This week's drama is about Sara's (Tonguetwister) screening and scheduling methods. Check out the Escort Reports thread.
Personally, based on her clarification reply, her process does not seem unreasonable. As long as she is responding to emails (with the exception of the "Hey Baby, I want to see you" generic emails). I think she is perfectly in the right to screen as much as she wants and to decline anyone who doesn't meet her expectations. As long as those expectations are clear, there should be no drama at all.
Just my thoughts!
Go Sara!
Be well and safe,
JR
Dillsborodave
08-19-10, 02:22
Why is everybody so critical of everybody when people posts? Thought the escort report was to trade info on escorts not to hear peoples personal opinions on certain subjects. And nobody seems to have a sense of humor.
Ky Guy 123
08-19-10, 17:46
This is one of those occasions where I wish Jackson had secondary moderators, where they had the capacity to move the off-topic posts to a different forum, and possibly impose a cooling off period on posting for those that might be engaged in a flame war. Just those small things that would help keep the defined areas strictly for those topics only. Now, the random 1 post? No biggie. But when it's 3 pages of 2-3 guys going back and forth about nothing that that forum was set up for.. then it makes going back through posts to do research a real pain ni the arse for those that do it page by page, post by post, looking for that elusive piece on info that they need to make up their mind about.. whatever it is that they're pondering. Ah well, one can dream. :)
Why is everybody so critical of everybody when people posts? Thought the escort report was to trade info on escorts not to hear peoples personal opinions on certain subjects. And nobody seems to have a sense of humor.
Nkykinkyguy
08-31-10, 09:06
So happy not to be involved with the Tabby drama. It is a shame she hasn't learned from her previous issues. She seems like a very nice girl. Youth does have it's virtures but dedication to work doesn't seem to be one of them. Just another reason I gravitate towards more experienced providers these days.
KG
Member #4523
09-07-10, 21:02
But something about the second paragraph of Bill's post below sounds like a Tom Waits song. About equally depressing.
I posted about Shay the first time I saw her; it was not a good experience. It was rushed, she got call after call on her cell phone, and I decided that I wasn't going to repeat. But I'd see her out on the street pretty often and we always waved to one another. One day I saw her just as a hard rain began and I let her ride around for a while to stay dry. A month or so back I'd see her on the stroll with her belly sticking way out from her pregnancy. Once, when she saw me driving by, she proudly pulled up her top to display her distended belly. And then I saw her no longer pregnant. You could hardly call us friends, but somehow I wanted to know how the birth had gone, so I picked her up. She told me that she had been before a judge earlier that day and that the judge had given her until the 26th of this month to enter a program (I forget the name of the program). I told her that if I saw her later in the month, I'd remind her of that date. I gave her the $10 and when she exited the car, she looked at me and said, "Thank you." I think that might have been the first genuine expression I'd ever seen from her.
I think the reason I made the original post was that it was a way to chronicle the birth of the baby, a way to report on an event in her life that I'm pretty sure has gone uncelebrated by most of those around her.
Sorry for the long and schmaltzy post, but I was sort of touched by my brief interaction with her and then touched again by the reference to Tom Waits.
Nkykinkyguy
09-24-10, 13:43
I was on the Louisville site today and our little episodes of rants and raves are minor compared to theirs. WOW. I read for a little while and said to myself, "SELF, enough is enough." and headed back to our board. LOL!
KG
Dillsborodave
09-24-10, 16:46
During the cool down session with one of the local providers she dropped a dime on a fellow hobbiest. Seems this fellow monger wanted her to scream his name during a moment of passion with me. Luckily this provider was nice enough not to go along with such a hanus plan. I will get even with the guilty party. As for everybody else beware, there are scoundrels afoot!!
Ky Guy 123
09-24-10, 18:12
This sounds like something that my old fire mates would opt to try to do to each other. Our favorite gag was when one of the guys was really getting on with a girl at a club/bar/wherever and was obvious that they were going to go back to the barracks or someplace and follow through on the handsieness. One of us would try and steal the lass away for a millisecond and tell her that the guy really liked being called something off-the-wall or kinky. Usually it wouldn't work, because the lass was way drunk or asked the guy about it, but every now and again.... *sly smile*. That one successful jab would keep the entire firehouse laughing for weeks. Ahh... the good old days. Anyway.. this reminded me of that.. so thought I'd share. Things are stressful/dangerous enough without monger-pranking, but, if it's a mate, then it can be in good fun too. :)
During the cool down session with one of the local providers she dropped a dime on a fellow hobbiest. Seems this fellow monger wanted her to scream his name during a moment of passion with me. Luckily this provider was nice enough not to go along with such a hanus plan. I will get even with the guilty party. As for everybody else beware, there are scoundrels afoot!!
Nkykinkyguy
09-24-10, 18:17
I was told very bluntly not so long ago that I didn't understand, that it's all about getting layed. Now it's about dropping dimes and getting even. Damn, I must need to get a different hobby as I totally don't understand this one.
KG
During the cool down session with one of the local providers she dropped a dime on a fellow hobbiest. Seems this fellow monger wanted her to scream his name during a moment of passion with me. Luckily this provider was nice enough not to go along with such a hanus plan. I will get even with the guilty party. As for everybody else beware, there are scoundrels afoot!!
Member #3974
09-25-10, 09:15
Well for me personally, it's not just about simply getting laid. I can get that anywhere. But the anticipation, the eroticism, the drama free encounters are what I am here for. I am not here to pound out as many as I can, or see how much I can spend either. Those who know me know how I am, and I must say a couple have come to my way of thinking. I respect the seniors here and value their opinon, if it is accurate. So to anyone here, if you have a problem stating the truth cause you don't like to give negative reviews, then don't give any reviews. That's why I am so comfortable stating my opinion all the time. I tell it like it is and don't care who likes it.
Happy hunting brothers.
I was told very bluntly not so long ago that I didn't understand, that it's all about getting layed. Now it's about dropping dimes and getting even. Damn, I must need to get a different hobby as I totally don't understand this one.
KG
During the cool down session with one of the local providers she dropped a dime on a fellow hobbiest. Seems this fellow monger wanted her to scream his name during a moment of passion with me. Luckily this provider was nice enough not to go along with such a hanus plan. I will get even with the guilty party. As for everybody else beware, there are scoundrels afoot!!
Sounds more like a practical joke being played by a friend of yours...
Dillsborodave
09-26-10, 08:19
Sounds more like a practical joke being played by a friend of yours...
With friends like that who needs enemies. (lol)!!!!
I can't wait until Jackson works out all of these bugs. No photo gallery or chat seriously? These colors kind of blow too. It's about as disappointing as that Mya chick I posted about previously.
Lady Lashay
10-06-10, 22:34
If you make an appointment
And can not keep it
Cancel it Don't just not show when someone has
Went to meet you.
Not Cool
And you know who you are
Disappointed
Lady
Nkykinkyguy
10-07-10, 08:53
I agree Nati, thought it was just me. I am sooo underwelmed by the new site. Maybe I am just too old to appreciate change LOL! Maybe it will grow on me.
KG.
I agree Nati, thought it was just me. I am sooo underwelmed by the new site. Maybe I am just too old to appreciate change LOL! Maybe it will grow on me.
KG. Looks like Jackson is going to have some stuff in the future, such as a "real" photo gallery. Should be interesting.
Ssimpson290
10-21-10, 19:28
If anyone actually wanted to find a review on one of the review sections of the Cincinnati board, God help them. I would point to the current BP review section as an example.
Obviously the various attempts to direct rants, raves and opinions here hasn't helped much. I'll offer a suggestion, but not sure it's possible.
1) Have a section for review requests. This is a place for newbies and the otherwise ignorant but curious to post their questions about providers. I guess you could have one for each type of request (BP, chatline, SW) but probably to save space better to have just one.
2) People can then scan this section if they're interested in helping these folks out and post on the review sections. All review requests will be here or deleted.
3) Have actual moderators move messages to the appropriate forums. Without that, none of this will ever work anyway. It would probably serve Jackson well, too, because frankly there's just not much reason to come here anymore and wade through all this s*t. I've only been here a short time, but I've thought having threads by providers might help. So under the provders reviews instead of one ginormous thread where a Provider could be reviewed in different spots have specific threads about a provider. It would help it stay on topic and if it were started with a link to the Provider then there would be no confusion with similar names. So for example, if Jane Doe were a provider, you'd find her section and there'd be her reviews. And to your point 3. Moderators could really help.
This thread is great if people choose to use and read it. However, I am sure that it is much easier to just post the rants, raves, and opinions in-line with whatever caused the rant, rave, or opinion to want to be expressed. That is partially why this thread has not been as effective as it could be.
I'm sure there are some logistics issues, but your idea is pretty good. I like it. While I agree that a lot of this has gotten way out of hand, I don't know that the forum is useless. I guess it depends on how you read and use the forum. The search works pretty effectively now and if you select to view your search results "showing posts", instead of "showing threads" it is much better. Now, if you are the type reading through each thread, it can get tedious. Obviously, you can skim and skip the erroneous posts or posts that are trying to guide the new members, or "ignore" certain members and help yourself out.
If the new members would just catch on to basic forum etiquette (reading the forum first, learning how and what to post, etc) it would help a lot. I've been trying to post some "tutorials" regarding respect and forum / posting "rules" to help the new members out. But, this only works if they read the posts. Your idea would at least move this stuff somewhere else, even if the new members don't learn better behavior. It would probably mean a lot of work for the moderators (at least right now) given the current state of the board.
I also like the idea posted by Ssimpson290, but that could end up taking a lot of space and "burying" a lot of other threads as the main page became multiple pages.
I'm open to these ideas. I would love for the board to quiet down. I'm sure it will in time, but it makes "right now" difficult.
Just some thoughts.
JR.
If anyone actually wanted to find a review on one of the review sections of the Cincinnati board, God help them. I would point to the current BP review section as an example.
Obviously the various attempts to direct rants, raves and opinions here hasn't helped much. I'll offer a suggestion, but not sure it's possible.
1) Have a section for review requests. This is a place for newbies and the otherwise ignorant but curious to post their questions about providers. I guess you could have one for each type of request (BP, chatline, SW) but probably to save space better to have just one.
2) People can then scan this section if they're interested in helping these folks out and post on the review sections. All review requests will be here or deleted.
3) Have actual moderators move messages to the appropriate forums. Without that, none of this will ever work anyway. It would probably serve Jackson well, too, because frankly there's just not much reason to come here anymore and wade through all this s*t.
Ky Guy 123
10-22-10, 12:52
Seeing these sorts of problems on other boards as well, late last year I asked Jackson about how one would become a moderator, and help out with the daily upkeep of a specific board. He stated to me that unequivocally, there are no moderators on this site but him, and never will be. I guess it's his thought that there's too many chances for misuse of the rights, and in some cases it's very true. I've seen hundreds of boards fail because moderators act like asses. Anyway. Just thought I'd mention that from my previous experience. One other thing to consider too, is that individual sections can be good, but with how some lasses go by multiple names or nicknames, it can be a real pain to consolidate, trust me. .
Jay.
I've only been here a short time, but I've thought having threads by providers might help. So under the provders reviews instead of one ginormous thread where a Provider could be reviewed in different spots have specific threads about a provider. It would help it stay on topic and if it were started with a link to the Provider then there would be no confusion with similar names. So for example, if Jane Doe were a provider, you'd find her section and there'd be her reviews. And to your point 3. Moderators could really help.
Nkykinkyguy
10-22-10, 13:17
Hey Randy,
I think the solution you are looking for is just a matter of time. With so many Seniors no longer posting reports the forum post are already being reduced drasticly. Look at the last two weeks and compare that to a year ago. Fewer actual post and fewer actual reviews.
A month from now I think it will be very easy for experienced Seniors to review and glean any real information from the board.
KG.
If anyone actually wanted to find a review on one of the review sections of the Cincinnati board, God help them. I would point to the current BP review section as an example.
Obviously the various attempts to direct rants, raves and opinions here hasn't helped much. I'll offer a suggestion, but not sure it's possible.
1) Have a section for review requests. This is a place for newbies and the otherwise ignorant but curious to post their questions about providers. I guess you could have one for each type of request (BP, chatline, SW) but probably to save space better to have just one.
2) People can then scan this section if they're interested in helping these folks out and post on the review sections. All review requests will be here or deleted.
3) Have actual moderators move messages to the appropriate forums. Without that, none of this will ever work anyway. It would probably serve Jackson well, too, because frankly there's just not much reason to come here anymore and wade through all this s*t.
Ssimpson290
10-23-10, 08:35
This thread is great if people choose to use and read it. However, I am sure that it is much easier to just post the rants, raves, and opinions in-line with whatever caused the rant, rave, or opinion to want to be expressed. That is partially why this thread has not been as effective as it could be.
I'm sure there are some logistics issues, but your idea is pretty good. I like it. While I agree that a lot of this has gotten way out of hand, I don't know that the forum is useless. I guess it depends on how you read and use the forum. The search works pretty effectively now and if you select to view your search results "showing posts", instead of "showing threads" it is much better. Now, if you are the type reading through each thread, it can get tedious. Obviously, you can skim and skip the erroneous posts or posts that are trying to guide the new members, or "ignore" certain members and help yourself out.
If the new members would just catch on to basic forum etiquette (reading the forum first, learning how and what to post, etc) it would help a lot. I've been trying to post some "tutorials" regarding respect and forum / posting "rules" to help the new members out. But, this only works if they read the posts. Your idea would at least move this stuff somewhere else, even if the new members don't learn better behavior. It would probably mean a lot of work for the moderators (at least right now) given the current state of the board.
I also like the idea posted by Ssimpson290, but that could end up taking a lot of space and "burying" a lot of other threads as the main page became multiple pages.
I'm open to these ideas. I would love for the board to quiet down. I'm sure it will in time, but it makes "right now" difficult.
Just some thoughts.
JR. I appreciate everyone responding. I plan on searching your posts for the tutorials!
Shadow Lurker
10-26-10, 08:43
I have out of town since I last posted and was a little surprised at the reaction my questions had when I logged in this morning. Like I said before I lurk here from time to time only.
I just wanted to say a big thank you to Wingman Todd. He sent me a message explaining how he works in the hobby. No yelling or cussing just good solid advice. Thank You. He was also right when he said that he thought I had some innocent questions. I have not tried anyone yet and who knows maybe I never will but I have a much better picture of how it works. At least from Wingman Todd's point of view. I know that his is not the only one so I will keep reading until I have more questions. I will message him so not to offend anyone else. I do not understand why I got dumped on so much just for asking the questions but that is water under the bridge. I got a big part of my answers from Wingman Todd. So the other stuff doesn't matter to me.
One other thing is DAMN those guys that cruise the streets are incredible. That is something I guarantee I won't be trying. I don't need a mug shot of me as a keep sake because I for damn sure would get caught up in a bust. Hats off to you guys.
Lurking Sometimes,
Shadow Lurker.
I hope I posted this in the right spot?
Bigtruck007
12-29-10, 13:43
Just a rant here. Why is it that all the pictures I see from other cities show VERY HOT SW's, while here in the 'Nati we get stuck with mostly crack heads and worn out skanks. I have seen only a few sws that are on par with some of the pics I see coming from other cities. I have had the luck of hitting on a few gems, but they always disappear as soon as they get here. I guess LE has all the good ones on the run making it only a last chance thing for many of these meth addicts. I'm probably spoiled from my early days of mongering in LA, where the women were at awesome. Even the tranny's there were smoking hot. I need to take a road trip back to LA and see some hotties, but until then, there is always Google street view mongering while I'm here at work.
Randyman,
Glad to see you posted this here in the Rants, Raves, and Opinions Thread.
These are just my opinions and I'm only trying to provide constructive discussion.
In response to your points:
1) You are correct that some of the folks flaming are some of the one's responsible for "polluting" the review threads with asides and comments that are not strictly relevant or strictly review-oriented. However, I disagree that it makes finding useful information harder to find. The updated site has a much more powerful and usable search than it did before (more on that below). Even if you are just cruising the "last couple of days" for intel, you can pretty easily scroll past any "BS" that you don't want to read. And, it is not that hard to go through a couple of pages of posts pretty quickly.You can always use the "ignore list" feature to filter out posts by members that you consider "polluters".
2) I wholeheartedly agree that this site is for sharing information so that we all don't waste our money. But, as I mentioned above, I don't think it is hard to search this site for info. And, I DO feel that all members should at least attempt to find the information themselves before asking for help. Ignoring the posts asking for information about previously reviewed providers doesn't help anyone (the person asking or the rest of the board). Just PM'ing them or posting useful info for them is also a bad choice. Why should you take your valuable time and do the work for them when they can easily do it themselves? Don't reinforce lazy behavior.
New (and some old) members need to learn how to do the research themselves or PM someone requesting help. These questions should not be taking up space on the board. We who have provided the intel by posting have already done our part. We have shared our information. After it is out there, it should be up to each of us to do our own research to find that intel and not expect it to be handed out on a silver platter.
I agree that the members asking these questions do not deserve to be flamed either. They need to be taught!
How to Search USASG
Rather than copy / paste my previous post regarding searching, refer to my post entitled "Searching Suggestions" in the General Reports thread (#1619 at this point in time) from 12/02/2010.
http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?3977-General-Reports&p=1099627&viewfull=1#post1099627 (link subject to change)
If you have a good search term, it is very easy to use this method to weed out all of the extraneous posts that you might otherwise have to scroll through to get to the posts you want. This method also gets you right to the posts and you can avoid the 60 second delay between searches. If you don't have a good search term, it can still be hard to find the intel you want no matter what.
Lastly, I want to say that there is nothing wrong with asking the board or specific members for help. Actually, I encourage that. I just believe you need to try to find the info yourself first. Search here; Search Indys or other sites; Search with Google; Check images with TinEye; and then ask for help or additional information if you can't find what you are looking for yourself.
Professor JRW1
When folks ask questions about previously reviewed providers. I would just point out that:
1) The folks doing the flaming seem to be some of the very ones responsible for polluting the review threads with useless BS that makes useful information that much harder to find.
2) While I too used to get p*the off at people making these requests all the time, I have come to realize how hard it can be to find info here and that the people asking really may not have limitless amounts of money and would like to make the best use of it, which is kinda why this whole thing exists.
So just stop being whiny little be*s when someone asks and either ignore it, PM them some useful info, or post some useful info.
Members should remember post DILIGENTLY and not treat threads as their own personal "jungle gym". I'm tired of logging, excited to read new reports, only to find out someone is trying to receive a "pat on the back" or a "chuckle". Save it for Rants and Raves. I have to say I VERY glad the SW thread doesn't have these problems. I do like to read about the escorts and backpage advertisers as well, but the escort section has turned into a long list of senseless garbage. It's not worth it anymore. If you don't like the Rants and Rave section, go create your own. It's that easy.
Dillsborodave
01-05-11, 01:48
I think this forum as whole is a good thing. I have met some great women plus have made some other friends. I just don't understand the rules thing. Prostitution has been around since the beginning of time and now there needs to be rules?
Ky Guy 123
01-05-11, 02:01
Yes, there DO need to be some rules. Rules for protecting yourself from prosecution, rules from protecting yourself from harm, and / or rules from acting like a complete arse with a lass and ruining the opportunity for others to enjoy their time with the lady (or lad I suppose if that's your thing). Anyone can follow them, or not, at their disposal, but it's important to have the knowledge beforehand to make it safer for EVERYone involved. Unfortunately, all too often, lads go out there thinking with the completely wrong part of their anatomy, and end up doing something stupid. Maybe they're out some funds, maybe they're stripped down to their skivvies in a ditch by Hwy 9 with a railspike shoved where the sun doesn't shine, either way, they're not having a good evening. The term 'rules' is applied to only give extra importance to the value of the list of suggestions of what to be aware of, and look out for, that's all. Anyone that's watched 'Pirates of the Carribean' enough times knows that if you call something a 'guideline' though it's open to much more interpretation and allowing either hilarious hijinks, or, the chance to make some really poor decisions. Listing an item as a Rule. Just helps make it stick longer (hopefully) , and more apt to be recalled when Mr. HappyPants tries to take full control over. .
Just my thought on the subject. Can anyone guess what movie I just got done watching, again? *chuckle*
Jay.
I think this forum as whole is a good thing. I have met some great women plus have made some other friends. I just don't understand the rules thing. Prostitution has been around since the beginning of time and now there needs to be rules?
Dave,
I can only assume that you have never read the "22 Rules for Street Mongering". Go read them now, I'll wait...
http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/custompages.php?pageid=custompages_mongeringrules&title=22%20Rules%20for%20Street%20Mongering
Now that you are back:
As you can see, they are not "Rules" so much as guidelines to keep you safe. I only chose "Rules" for the name of my thread for the Escorts version to be in line with the "22 Rules for Street Mongering". You will note that I chose "A Guide for being a Respected Member of USASG" for my other thread. Although Ky Guy 123 makes some very good points about why they should be called "Rules" instead of "Guidelines" in his post below.
Seriously, they are not rules. You can do what you want. You can take your chances. But, as I'm sure ALL of the SW guys will tell you,"Read the 22 Rules, Follow the 22 Rules, you won't get busted if you follow them, and you should have a good time". I'm sure you already do most of the things that will be in the "Rules" anyhow. This is for the new guys to learn from and more of a reminder for the old guys.
And to be frank about it. Everything has rules. Whether they are written down or not.
The Law of Gravity or the Laws of Thermodynamics.
If you stop breathing, you will die.
Everything that exists has rules that it follows, Prostitution included (e.g. If you get caught, you will be arrested).
Enlightenment brought to you by the letters F, U, C, and K (LOL!)
Professor JRW1
I think this forum as whole is a good thing. I have met some great women plus have made some other friends. I just don't understand the rules thing. Prostitution has been around since the beginning of time and now there needs to be rules?
To each his own.
I am a fan of 'to each his own' and with that I mean, each person does have a right to be unique in how they respond to 'whatever'. I was helped when I was a newbie when I asked by PM specific questions and they for the most part were how to do something. I had never been to a strip club and asked a Dayton Senior Member about what to do and how to act. He gave me a lot of help on what to do (some worked, some did not).
I also post some of the info about the women I have visited but I don't think I give a blow by blow description. I also do mention if I would repeat or not (which should be a very good clue about whether or not I had a good time).
When I get a PM from a non-senior member, I do look at what they have posted and if they have helped, then I help them. If they have not, then I ignore the PM. I am cautious when I received a PM that asks too specific questions about what I did when I visited the young lady.
I enjoy this site and will continue to read the reviews and comments (probably skip the rants). Folks, the Cincinnati site is filled with VERY useful information and we all should be happy about that. Please review other medium to large city forums and you will appreciate what we have here both in information on the forum and with the people we can visit that have been talked about on this forum.
Rog
Nkykinkyguy
01-05-11, 12:19
I will start this off by saying that while I am not the most seasoned member of this community, I am certainly not a Nubie. I have almost twenty years experience in the hobby in one form or another so I do feel I have a reasonable view of our hobby.
First: I do think we need a vehicle to moderate ourselves. I don't think it can be one individual but a small group of respected members could achieve what this community needs. Unfortunately we must face facts, not ever member here (Including Me) is a card carrying member of Mensa. If you need to Google Mensa to find out what it is, you probably will not be granted membership. Some of our members struggle to spell correctly, let alone comprehend the meaning of all the post. This is not a flame or me throwing arrows it is just a fact that is inherent in every open forum on the.
Second: I don't think anyone here is trying to inhibit anyone's privilege to speak their mind, just to try and make this particular board a worthwhile community to facilitate hobbyist in their endeavors. Don't forget if you are entitled to post what is on your mind, others have the very same freedom to post their own comments on your post so you can't have it like Burger King 'Your Way' where you get the freedom to post what you want but others are denied the very same freedom to speak their mind regarding what you posted. If you don't want your posts critiqued, unfortunately your only option here is not to post. That also is your right.
Third: I am an avid admirer of the Street Walker Hobbyist. I feel that their 22 Rules of Street Mongering are far and away the best instruction model I have seen in the hobby. As I suggested (I was the first to bring it up, so those of you that bristled at Jry Wild1 for bring up the 'Now there need to be Rules for the hobby! ' comments please direct them at me not him. I am a big boy I can take it) Escort Hobbyist need a similar set of rules in place for those that wish to use them. For those that don't wish to use them, good luck you may need it.
That being said, the Street Walker thread has it's own share of dribble (Recently nearly a half page of posts backslapping with Poondaddy / Pino so please don't throw stones, we all live in a glass house here. Luckily for the Street Walker thread there are just fewer people posting on that thread and those that do are typically more experienced than the nubies that post elsewhere as the nubies tend to play it much safer (I totally understand the whole is it really safer to see an escort verses following the 22 rules argument) so this eliminates a lot of the dribble that the other threads experience.
Forth: If you don't like the state of the board by all means work with others to change it. Don't leave, don't go into the background (Yes I am guilty of this also) and for God's sake don't be part of the problem be part of the solution instead of constantly bitching and gripping. Join forces and fix it. It can be done if everyone will stop being an individual and be part of the community. I have admitted my guilt here but I also have been working behind the scenes to improve the board.
Just my humble opinion,
KG
Nkykinkyguy
01-05-11, 12:24
Rog, we are friends and I agree with your post. That being said, this board was better than it is now at one time and I personally think with a little co-operation that we can make it even better than it was before. I have read other large boards and you are right they are worse but that doesn't mean that we can't strive to be better.
I am willing to participate with any and all that want to stive to make our community a better place.
Sincerely,
KG.
To each his own.
I am a fan of 'to each his own' and with that I mean, each person does have a right to be unique in how they respond to 'whatever'. I was helped when I was a newbie when I asked by PM specific questions and they for the most part were how to do something. I had never been to a strip club and asked a Dayton Senior Member about what to do and how to act. He gave me a lot of help on what to do (some worked, some did not).
I also post some of the info about the women I have visited but I don't think I give a blow by blow description. I also do mention if I would repeat or not (which should be a very good clue about whether or not I had a good time).
When I get a PM from a non-senior member, I do look at what they have posted and if they have helped, then I help them. If they have not, then I ignore the PM. I am cautious when I received a PM that asks too specific questions about what I did when I visited the young lady.
I enjoy this site and will continue to read the reviews and comments (probably skip the rants). Folks, the Cincinnati site is filled with VERY useful information and we all should be happy about that. Please review other medium to large city forums and you will appreciate what we have here both in information on the forum and with the people we can visit that have been talked about on this forum.
Rog
Since I ranted in the Escorts Reports thread this morning, I thought I had better post a clarification about what I am trying to do here on the Board. Since, I'm sure some of you probably think I have a big head and want to dominate this forum. I do not.
I am not trying to be Board Moderator (that is Jackson's job).
I am not trying to stop anyone from expressing their own thoughts and opinions - everyone should freely have that right.
I am not trying to be my brothers' keeper or "daddy" of the board, sending people to their rooms when they misbehave.
I am trying to provide good information for all to use.
I am trying to encourage everyone to be a productive and respected member of this board.
I am trying to mentor and teach any who want to learn, like others mentored and taught me.
I am trying to encourage everyone to moderate themselves instead of creating drama.
This is what we ALL should be trying to do.
I'm just as tired of the crap as most of you! I am choosing to try to reduce the crap and increase the good, diligent, informative posts by trying to guide whomever will listen back to the reason for which this board was created. I know there are Hobbyists out there who have been doing this much longer and have much more experience and wisdom than I. And frankly, I would appreciate all the help that anyone is willing to give to achieve that goal (e.g. Nkykinkyguy and a few others, refer to Nkykinkyguy's post below).
In that regard, I would also like to clarify that the "Rules for Escort Mongering" and "Guide for being a Respected Member of USASG" threads that I started are not meant for me to espouse or dictate my thoughts and beliefs on what Members and Hobbyists should do. They are not going to be some unilateral set rules created by me alone. I intend these lists to be generated by all of us, by whomever wants to contribute. It should be a collaborative effort, certainly not one person's thoughts on what you should do as a Member or Hobbyist. As I have said, there are many of you with more experience than I. All I am doing is trying to step up and take on the role of archivist.
As Nkykinkyguy posted below, there has been an "in the background" movement to foment a change on this board for the better. I just happen to be the vocal arm of that collaborative. And, you may direct any barbs and arrows my direction too, since I am the vocal one. I too, can take it (LOL).
I will repost Nkykinkyguy's fourth item for emphasis.
Fourth: If you don't like the state of the board, by all means work with others to change it. Don't leave, don't go into the background (Yes I am guilty of this also) and for God's sake don't be part of the problem be part of the solution instead of constantly bitching and gripping. Join forces and fix it. It can be done if everyone will stop being an individual and be part of the community..
JRW1
No, I am not the resurrection of Assman, but I think I may have been possessed by him this morning. LOL! If I'm not careful, I'll be out looking for massages or other freaky stuff like that!
JRW1
Damn has Assman been resurrected and working under the Jry Wild1 screen name?
(portion of post removed)
KG
Dillsborodave
01-05-11, 14:48
Dave,
I can only assume that you have never read the "22 Rules for Street Mongering". Go read them now, I'll wait.
http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/custompages.php?pageid=custompages_mongeringrules&title=22%20Rules%20for%20Street%20Mongering
Now that you are back:
As you can see, they are not "Rules" So much as guidelines to keep you safe. I only chose "Rules" for the name of my thread for the Escorts version to be in line with the "22 Rules for Street Mongering". You will note that I chose "A Guide for being a Respected Member of USASG" for my other thread. Although Ky Guy 123 makes some very good points about why they should be called "Rules" instead of "Guidelines" in his post below.
Seriously, they are not rules. You can do what you want. You can take your chances. But, as I'm sure ALL of the SW guys will tell you,"Read the 22 Rules, Follow the 22 Rules, you won't get busted if you follow them, and you should have a good time". I'm sure you already do most of the things that will be in the "Rules" anyhow. This is for the new guys to learn from and more of a reminder for the old guys.
And to be frank about it. Everything has rules. Whether they are written down or not.
The Law of Gravity or the Laws of Thermodynamics.
If you stop breathing, you will die.
Everything that exists has rules that it follows, Prostitution included (e. G. If you get caught, you will be arrested).
Enlightenment brought to you by the letters F, U, C, and K (LOL!)
Professor JRW1I read the the 22 rules and they all seem like common sense stuff. But I am 46 and have been doing this for about 20 years and learned everything on my own. Guess if there are some retards out there that can't figure out how to pay money for sex the rules could help.
Nkykinkyguy
01-05-11, 19:26
The Street Mongers are very proud, as they should be, of their 22 rules. They live by these rules to insure their safety and productivity. I don't know that they will appreciate being called retards because they use a set of rules to monger by. Everyone needs to use whatever tools available to them to protect themselves, that doesn't make them a retard.
Just my opinion mind you.
KG.
I read the the 22 rules and they all seem like common sense stuff. But I am 46 and have been doing this for about 20 years and learned everything on my own. Guess if there are some retards out there that can't figure out how to pay money for sex the rules could help.
First off, calling them "rules" gives off a certain connotation when in actuality they are mere "tips". When I first started mongering, I wasn't a member of the forum and had no rules or tips to follow. Years later after finding this board, and reading the 22 rules, it occurred to me that the things I had learned in the streets were indeed the exact things mentioned in the rules. Now there are slight variances in everyone's habits and procedures as well. They are a good set of tips for avoiding LE and potentially dangerous situations for beginners and novices. As time goes on and technology and LE grows close to Big Brother status, the rules could eventually need some tweaking.
I'm sure Escort rules could easily be created, although a lot of thought would have to be put into it. You see, for a SW sting, LE women do not get into your car for a ride without someone closely following. You could possibly apply that same theory to Escorts as well. If you meet at a neutral spot without previously mentioning money and go to an undisclosed area for the fun in one car without being followed, then you might be able to come out clean as a whistle. There are probably other ways of doing this, but I HAVE used that method in the past. I'll have to say that the thought of meeting an Escort is a lot scarier than picking up a SW. With a SW, it sounds like just friendly chit-chat and meeting someone. Might even ask her to do some "nude modeling" which is totally legal BTW.
Oh and here is my impersonation of the Escort Reports Thread for shits and giggles:
Dribbler
Senior Member
Reports 1267
Join Date: Yesterday
Subject: UNBELIEVABLE #$@$%!@
anybody know of any good pizza deals today? I'm starving.
Dillsborodave
01-06-11, 04:15
The Street Mongers are very proud, as they should be, of their 22 rules. They live by these rules to insure their safety and productivity. I don't know that they will appreciate being called retards because they use a set of rules to monger by. Everyone needs to use whatever tools available to them to protect themselves, that doesn't make them a retard.
Just my opinion mind you.
KG. Some how I just knew you would be the one to stand up for retards.
MassageFreak
01-06-11, 09:35
Though I have met dave and kyjellyguy, I must say you two need to get along. Both are cool, and both give great intel. You guys need to give each other a chance. Let bygones me just that and move on brothers.
Some how I just knew you would be the one to stand up for retards.
Nkykinkyguy
01-06-11, 09:53
That didn't take long! LOL!
Some how I just knew you would be the one to stand up for retards.
Give me a fucking break! How about this. You pick one you like, you call her, you go to her, you pay her, and you get laid. There they are, five fucking rules for seeing an escort. No drama. Just do it.
Nkykinkyguy
01-06-11, 10:10
No wonder your are a dribbler being a retard and all. LOL!
You know I am just kidding Nati.
Absolutely well spoken Nati and a little humor to boot. Just another reason as to why you are a respected and admired member of this community. Jry, I and the rest of the contributors to the compilation of these list would welcome any and all input you would like to put forth.
We are just trying to help those without the experience of seasoned members such as you eliminate the need to recreate the wheel.
Good Luck and Be Safe,
KG.
First off, calling them "rules" gives off a certain connotation when in actuality they are mere "tips". When I first started mongering, I wasn't a member of the forum and had no rules or tips to follow. Years later after finding this board, and reading the 22 rules, it occurred to me that the things I had learned in the streets were indeed the exact things mentioned in the rules. Now there are slight variances in everyone's habits and procedures as well. They are a good set of tips for avoiding LE and potentially dangerous situations for beginners and novices. As time goes on and technology and LE grows close to Big Brother status, the rules could eventually need some tweaking.
I'm sure Escort rules could easily be created, although a lot of thought would have to be put into it. You see, for a SW sting, LE women do not get into your car for a ride without someone closely following. You could possibly apply that same theory to Escorts as well. If you meet at a neutral spot without previously mentioning money and go to an undisclosed area for the fun in one car without being followed, then you might be able to come out clean as a whistle. There are probably other ways of doing this, but I HAVE used that method in the past. I'll have to say that the thought of meeting an Escort is a lot scarier than picking up a SW. With a SW, it sounds like just friendly chit-chat and meeting someone. Might even ask her to do some "nude modeling" which is totally legal BTW.
Oh and here is my impersonation of the Escort Reports Thread for shits and giggles:
Dribbler.
Senior Member.
Reports 1267.
Join Date: Yesterday.
Subject: UNBELIEVABLE #$@$%
Anybody know of any good pizza deals today? I'm starving.
Dillsborodave
01-06-11, 12:53
Give me a fucking break! How about this. You pick one you like, you call her, you go to her, you pay her, and you get laid. There they are, five fucking rules for seeing an escort. No drama. Just do it.I agree, its really not that hard to find an escort. Seems like some of the "know it alls" from the escort section want to prove they know it all. I have talked with one of the so called list makers and he told me he has only been doing this for a couple years. So what gives him the right to make a set of rules? Likewise just because someone has over 300 posts does not mean they know much either. But that is just my opinion.
Nkykinkyguy
01-06-11, 13:11
Just a clarification for some of the readers that either don't bother to read the post or can't quite comprend what is written in them.
There are no list makers. The request was sent out to everyone on the board to contribute to the formation of two needed list, guide, rules, whatever name you wish to attach to them.
So whether you have been in the hobby for 20 months or 20 years your opinion matters and your input is not only welcome but needed because no one is going to do it for us we need to contribute, unfortunately that even includes those that childishly use name calling to try and belittle what they don't understand. They too are members.
These lists are not an attempt to change or circumvent the way you currently Hobby. They are to help new members avoid the need to recreate the wheel over and over again and to provide a point of reference for everyone to use if they so choose.
So everyone, please send Jry Wild1 your serious input, he is just going to compile the information in a list format and then post it for everyone's reviews, comments and critical comments.
It's the communities list not any one persons.
Sincerely,
KG
Jay Malibu
01-06-11, 14:11
You can never know enough about all this. All information is valuable, even the most outlandish. People reveal their personalities in their words and I get good information as to who I can trust by the way they convey information. Anyone new to this needs to be patient. Lack of knowledge and ignoring information create your biggest risks in all this.
Nkykinkyguy
01-06-11, 14:54
Very well said Jay,
That is why Jry, myself and others are wanting to provide another tool for Hobbyist, new and old, to have at their disposal. All information is useful. It is up to each individual to use or not use it to their own accord.
KG.
You can never know enough about all this. All information is valuable, even the most outlandish. People reveal their personalities in their words and I get good information as to who I can trust by the way they convey information. Anyone new to this needs to be patient. Lack of knowledge and ignoring information create your biggest risks in all this.
Nkykinkyguy
01-06-11, 19:04
Just wanted to take a moment to give my sincere thanks to Harpo for his great work on rules / tips for Escort Mongering and to Stimulus for taking the time to go back and find this information for us so that we can update it and post it where it is readily available to all new and old Escort Hobbyist to use if they feel the need.
It is extremely nice to see members of such high regard taking the time to help everyone here in our community.
Many Thanks,
KG
Cumslowly, I'll give you a break, then. How 'bout this.
You pick one you like, you call her, you go to her, you pay her, you get arrested for solicitation, you get to spend the night in Uncle Si's hotel, and you get laid by the biggest bull queer in the pen. Because you didn't follow the rules.
Be my guest,"just do it" LOL!
Thinking like this is why newbies get ripped off for thousands of dollars before learning the ropes.
Professor JRW1
Give me a fucking break! How about this. You pick one you like, you call her, you go to her, you pay her, and you get laid. There they are, five fucking rules for seeing an escort. No drama. Just do it.
No wonder your are a dribbler being a retard and all. LOL! I hope you get herpes muthatrucker. LOL. Much love you kinky bastard.
Betcha the process of our forefathers writing the Declaration of Independence was very similar to the one you guys are trying to initiate.
MassageFreak
01-06-11, 22:50
I have quite a few to ad, and most who know about me will vouch. Let's get the board back to what it is supposed to be, not some afternoon soap opera where everyone is trying to fuck everyone else. Well, wait a minute, that is what the board is about. Sorry I blew up, I will go back to my corner. By the way, shout out to my pals, stimulus, whodeyman, wingman, kyjellyguy, jrywild1. Miss talking to you guys.
Give me a fucking break! How about this. You pick one you like, you call her, you go to her, you pay her, and you get laid. There they are, five fucking rules for seeing an escort. No drama. Just do it.Simple minds can develop only the most simple of solutions. Such rudimentary naivety is in some ways like piloting an aircraft. One pilot completes all the items on his checklist and files a flight plan. The other jumps in the plane and if it starts he is in the air. One is much quicker than the other, hell it is a lot more exciting also, as you can rest assured you will probably be seeing the earth up real close moving toward you in excess of one hundred miles an hour. Just my opinion, perhaps RTFF should be changed to RTFR.
Give me a fucking break! How about this. You pick one you like, you call her, you go to her, you pay her, and you get laid. There they are, five fucking rules for seeing an escort. No drama. Just do it.Simple minds can develop only the most simple of solutions. Such rudimentary naivety is in some ways like piloting an aircraft. One pilot completes all the items on his checklist and files a flight plan. The other jumps in the plane and if it starts he is in the air. One is much quicker than the other, hell it is a lot more exciting also, as you can rest assured you will probably be seeing the earth up real close moving toward you in excess of one hundred miles an hour. Just my opinion, perhaps RTFF should be changed to RTFR.
Jay Malibu
01-07-11, 10:26
Give me a fucking break! How about this. You pick one you like, you call her, you go to her, you pay her, and you get laid. There they are, five fucking rules for seeing an escort. No drama. Just do it.To each his own. Personally I like to get a good value for my time. I am rarely disappointed and when I am it's because I was in a hurry and missed the information. In fact most of the time my expectations are exceeded because I choose carefully. If you've won the lottery and you have lots of time, unlimited funds and don't care about the situations you get into, well, then get into the adrenaline rush and do it whatever way you wish. In fact no one here really gives a crap unless you cause the rest of us a problem. Like John Rothless-whatever-his-name (the scumbag from Columbus that stalks the ladies). However, John has now picked on the wrong gal up North. His latest target is ex-military and she likes guns. I can't wait for him to show up at her door. He's such a prick.
Rule # 129,567,432. Be nice to the ladies and they'll be nice to you.
Dave,
I agree that it is not that hard to find an escort. But, I don't think it is as easy to do so safely. Call me a "know it all" if you like, but I don't think you understand what we are trying to do. This list is not so much for the "seasoned veteran" like yourself. You already admitted that after [finally] reading the SW 22 Rules they were common sense stuff and you learned all of this on your own. Great! Good for you. How long did that take? How many times have you been ripped off over your 20 years of mongering? I hope for you that the answers are "After the first time I did it" and "Never," respectively. But, I kinda doubt it.
Our endeavor is an attempt to help out the new Hobbyists to learn a little bit more quickly, have better experiences, and hopefully help them to not get ripped off or arrested. I also hope that maybe we can make a few points that the "seasoned veterans" might appreciate or at least use as a refresher. Hell, in your own post you used a phrase that Harpo says not to use (and he has more experience than you). Read the post that Stimulus re-posted. You shouldn't be using the phrase "pay money for sex". Just because no one helped you, doesn't mean that we can't help others. If you want to be selfish and say that everyone should "learn it for themselves." Fine. That is your decision and you are free to express that point of view.
Furthermore, I have said many times already that it is not my intent to dictate how you should hobby or that this is MY list created solely by me. We have been asking everyone to contribute. We want the collective experience of this entire board in on this. As I have stated, I'm the one compiling the list, not creating it. And so everyone knows, we are going to post a draft of the "rules" for everyone to review, comment on, and make suggestions, and then a more final version will be posted.
And, to clarify, I have been doing this for seven years, but I have only been diligently escort mongering for a little over two years. Two years, Seven years, or 20 years. Who cares? If I have even one suggestion to contribute, it might help someone. That's what we are here for after all. Don't blast me for having done this for a shorter amount of time than you. 20 years of experience doesn't make a genius either (obviously).
Sorry if I am coming off as an ass or a know it all. I just want to help the new members and old members and to make this board better than it is right now. A lot of people have complained about the drama, and the crap, and the lack of information, etc. But, I don't see many of you stepping up to DO anything about it. That is all that I am trying to do.
JRW1
I agree, its really not that hard to find an escort. Seems like some of the "know it alls" from the escort section want to prove they know it all. I have talked with one of the so called list makers and he told me he has only been doing this for a couple years. So what gives him the right to make a set of rules? Likewise just because someone has over 300 posts does not mean they know much either. But that is just my opinion.
I read the the 22 rules and they all seem like common sense stuff. But I am 46 and have been doing this for about 20 years and learned everything on my own. Guess if there are some retards out there that can't figure out how to pay money for sex the rules could help.
Nkykinkyguy
01-07-11, 12:14
Good Morning Nati,
Thank you for your warm regards and the good wishes of presents for me. LOL! I will be sure to send your fair share of any and such gifts. Never let it be said that I am not an honorable man that doesn't share his good tidings with his friends. LOL! And you Sir are most assuredly a good friend. As the great orator John Calipari recently expounded "Love You More!" LOL!
Have fun and be safe you retard. LOL!
P. S.
On are more serious note. Sincere thanks to you for all your help. You my friend are a valuable friend and resource that members should pay more attention to.
Your analogy of the Declaration is spot on. Many feel it is indeed a worth while endeavor and others have the 'I had to learn it on my own let them fend for themselves attitude', sad but true. And others just not knowing how important this type of information is in the long run.
Also special thanks to:
Harpo. Our Thomas Jefferson. For writing the terrific first draft. Albeit many years ago. Just shows he was far ahead of his time he was.
Stimulus. Our Alexander Hamilton. For taking the time and doing the leg work to get us as much information as possible on his own.
Getnati. Our John Hancock. For clearly expounding the need for such a document.
JRY Wild1. Our John Adams. For being out editor to issue we get it right.
Everyone please continue to send your thoughts on this to Jry Wild1 so that you are included in his initial list for full board review.
Many Thanks to all.
KG.
I hope you get herpes muthatrucker. LOL. Much love you kinky bastard.
Betcha the process of our forefathers writing the Declaration of Independence was very similar to the one you guys are trying to initiate.
Dillsborodave
01-07-11, 12:22
Dave,
I agree that it is not that hard to find an escort. But, I don't think it is as easy to do so safely. Call me a "know it all" if you like, but I don't think you understand what we are trying to do. This list is not so much for the "seasoned veteran" like yourself. You already admitted that after [finally] reading the SW 22 Rules they were common sense stuff and you learned all of this on your own. Great! Good for you. How long did that take? How many times have you been ripped off over your 20 years of mongering? I hope for you that the answers are "After the first time I did it" and "Never," respectively. But, I kinda doubt it.
Our endeavor is an attempt to help out the new Hobbyists to learn a little bit more quickly, have better experiences, and hopefully help them to not get ripped off or arrested. I also hope that maybe we can make a few points that the "seasoned veterans" might appreciate or at least use as a refresher. Hell, in your own post you used a phrase that Harpo says not to use (and he has more experience than you). Read the post that Stimulus re-posted. You shouldn't be using the phrase "pay money for sex". Just because no one helped you, doesn't mean that we can't help others. If you want to be selfish and say that everyone should "learn it for themselves." Fine. That is your decision and you are free to express that point of view.
Furthermore, I have said many times already that it is not my intent to dictate how you should hobby or that this is MY list created solely by me. We have been asking everyone to contribute. We want the collective experience of this entire board in on this. As I have stated, I'm the one compiling the list, not creating it. And so everyone knows, we are going to post a draft of the "rules" for everyone to review, comment on, and make suggestions, and then a more final version will be posted.
And, to clarify, I have been doing this for seven years, but I have only been diligently escort mongering for a little over two years. Two years, Seven years, or 20 years. Who cares? If I have even one suggestion to contribute, it might help someone. That's what we are here for after all. Don't blast me for having done this for a shorter amount of time than you. 20 years of experience doesn't make a genius either (obviously).
Sorry if I am coming off as an ass or a know it all. I just want to help the new members and old members and to make this board better than it is right now. A lot of people have complained about the drama, and the crap, and the lack of information, etc. But, I don't see many of you stepping up to DO anything about it. That is all that I am trying to do.
JRW1I kinda see what you are doing but don't think it is necessary. I would rather see all your time and effort go into getting laid and writing some escort reports instead of being a guidance counselor.
Thank you, Dave. While I disagree regarding your point about whether it is necessary or not, I appreciate your consideration regarding understanding what we are doing.
I also appreciate your concern regarding how often I am getting laid. LOL! To ease your fears, I saw my ATF on Wednesday and saw Stormy very recently as well. Since both have been reported on here before (numerous times) I did not feel obligated to post another report.
And, hey! You gotta have a hobby outside of the Hobby don't you? Otherwise, I would be so exhausted that I wouldn't even be able to get on here and post anything! LOL!
Seriously, though. I and others feel this is needed. But, I also understand your point. Since the purpose of this Forum is sharing of information about SW's or Escorts that should be a top priority.
JRW1
I kinda see what you are doing but don't think it is necessary. I would rather see all your time and effort go into getting laid and writing some escort reports instead of being a guidance counselor.
MassageFreak
01-07-11, 17:25
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Nkykinkyguy
01-07-11, 17:27
Sorry about the perceived typos, the post was correct when entered but the auto correct got me and I was unable to take the time to review my post after the auto correct.
KG.
Good Morning Nati,
Thank you for your warm regards and the good wishes of presents for me. LOL! I will be sure to send your fair share of any and such gifts. Never let it be said that I am not an honorable man that doesn't share his good tidings with his friends. LOL! And you Sir are most assuredly a good friend. As the great orator John Calipari recently expounded "Love You More!" LOL!
Have fun and be safe you retard. LOL!
P. S.
On are more serious note. Sincere thanks to you for all your help. You my friend are a valuable friend and resource that members should pay more attention to.
Your analogy of the Declaration is spot on. Many feel it is indeed a worth while endeavor and others have the 'I had to learn it on my own let them fend for themselves attitude', sad but true. And others just not knowing how important this type of information is in the long run.
Also special thanks to:
Harpo. Our Thomas Jefferson. For writing the terrific first draft. Albeit many years ago. Just shows he was far ahead of his time he was.
Stimulus. Our Alexander Hamilton. For taking the time and doing the leg work to get us as much information as possible on his own.
Getnati. Our John Hancock. For clearly expounding the need for such a document.
JRY Wild1. Our John Adams. For being out editor to issue we get it right.
Everyone please continue to send your thoughts on this to Jry Wild1 so that you are included in his initial list for full board review.
Many Thanks to all.
KG.
MassageFreak
01-07-11, 19:13
Whoops! Sorry about that Jackson! Won't happen again, I will insult people via private message from now on. Have a great weekend!
Sorry about the perceived typos, the post was correct when entered but the auto correct got me and I was unable to take the time to review my post after the auto correct.
KG. Yeah, bullshit.
I'm also going to have to respectfully decline the role as John Hancock. I'm WAY to lazy and unproductive to be associated with possibly an historic piece of USASG history.
I kinda see what you are doing but don't think it is necessary. I would rather see all your time and effort go into getting laid and writing some escort reports instead of being a guidance counselor.Quit acting "troll-ish". If it succeeds or fails, what do you give a shit for them trying?
Nkykinkyguy
01-08-11, 17:45
Hell, Nati all you have to do sign your name really really large and you have done your part, so you can keep your lazy, unproductive abrasive ways in tact. LOL! Is that really that hard. Even a Caveman can do it.
KG.
Yeah, bullshit.
I'm also going to have to respectfully decline the role as John Hancock. I'm WAY to lazy and unproductive to be associated with possibly an historic piece of USASG history.
Quit acting "troll-ish". If it succeeds or fails, what do you give a shit for them trying?
Hell, Nati all you have to do sign your name really really large and you have done your part, so you can keep your lazy, unproductive abrasive ways in tact. LOL! Is that really that hard. Even a Caveman can do it.
KG. Cool. And this sentence is only because my message was too short.
[Transplanted from the BackPage Advertiser Reviews thread]
Thank you, Cincyguy.
This wasn't exactly a TOFTT situation (since she has been seen and reviewed before), but it kinda was at the same time. So, thank you.
I mainly wanted to jump in here to say not to deprecate your review (I'm referring to your last sentence). It was well done. You provided good information and were hopefully honest about your opinions of her and her performance. That is crucial here. Provide relevant information and provide opinions that are honest and forthright. We can all benefit from information like this.
Although this is more of a Rave, I felt it important to convey that this was a well done report given by a new member.
JRW1
I ended up meeting up with brooke yesterday. I was a little guarded given the spotty reviews, but on the phone she sounded very nice and was accommodating to my schedule and location.
She ended up being very nice. Her pics are sort of real. They are definitely her (hard to mistake her tattoos) but they are probably from at least a year ago. Thats not to say she isn't attractive. Just not quite as attractive as her pics show.
She was very nice. I was a bit miffed that I wasn't allowed multiple pops, but she let me know before hand, so I made sure to take my time.
It wasnt a GFE, but it wasn't bad either. She was nice, nice looking, and her rates are very workable.
I would consider seeing her again, I have the feeling that she is the type of girl who would open more with a repeat client.
Anyways, thats my review.
Nkykinkyguy
01-22-11, 13:58
Who is it exactly and how are they attempting to hijack this forum? There have been a few comments here reflecting a coup of some sort.
I have not seen where any group or individual has tried to take over 'Power of the Cincinnati Board. '
The only power in place that I know of is Jackson. If there was some kind of election, empowerment or coup that I missed would someone please bring me up to speed and let me know whose power is in jeopardy?
If not, as far as I know Jackson is firmly in place and there are no rebels actively planning a coup.
So, if Jackson is still in power and there is no coup attempt in place the use (or misuse I should say) of the words usurp or usurpation are being mistakenly bandied about to try and show a yet to be achieved level of intellect or incite a coup of their own. Hmmmm, something to consider I suppose.
Usurp –
1. Take (a position of power or importance) illegally or by force.
2. Take the place of (someone in a position of power) illegally: supplant
3. Encroach or infringe upon (someone's rights)
Usurpation –
1. The act of usurping. LOL! Just had to throw that in, could not help myself.
I have seen no signs of anyone using force or illegal means to hijack this forum from Jackson.
I have also not seen anyone supplanting anyone of authority on this board since Jackson is the sole authority here and sees to be firmly in power.
I have also not seen one person or group encroaching or infringing upon anyone's right to post what ever is on their mind on the forum.
So, please all of those that are reporting the insurgent usurpation movement please identify these people and show us the acts and proof you have of their actions to hijack this board from Jackson and their insidious acts of infringement that have actually kept members from exercising their constitutional rights of free speech on this board.
We want to know who they are and what exactly they have done.
Here is your opportunity to step up to the mic and expose these insurgents for what they are.
The key here is you need to bring us factual accounts of these acts, not just bold type yelling of opinions and acronyms and misspelled posts full of illogical rants. Bring us documented, actual proof of these acts. If you do this I am sure by the majority of us reporting these acts of peril to Jackson's authority here, he will permanently ban those members so that we can rid ourselves of this pestilence.
If your only qualms really are that a few people are attempting to add information to the forum to help those that need the assistance and know this and will use it to their benefit and also for those that need it and are not sufficiently coherent to realize they need to use it. Then go ahead and post your complaint boldly and plainly. Identify who you have a problem with. Point out their acts of usurpation for everyone to see instead of hiding behind veiled comments.
If your issue is that you are tired of being told you can't spell, for God's sake use a spell checker, stop posting or take it like the grade school grammar level student that you are and quit crying about being picked on by claiming people are conducting subversive usurpation to the board.
The bottom line is 'If you don't like the direction of the board get involved and change it for the better instead of sitting on your hands complaining like 13 year old little girls. That only makes the board a worse place than some already think it is. Get involved, participate, and invite others to participate. Like Cintixtreme in part so eloquently stated 'Jackson seems fine to provide the forum and allow minimal intrusion on his part, other than to squash posts that out someone, put the forum in jeopardy, or openly attack someone. The rest he lets us work out for ourselves. '
'Work out for ourselves, ' seems to me this means get actively involved, participate invite active participation from others. Not sniping and complaining about covert usurpation operations targeting Jackson or forum member's right to speak freely.
Just remember the right to free speech ends when a second person enters the theater and you yell fire and there is no fire. So if you want to blast, flame and other wise attack someone with no cause or justification you have crossed the free speech line. If you have actual documented, facts, examples and proof of misdeeds then you are indeed within your rights to speak your mind and show your proof for all to see so that there is complete transparency for all.
Sincerely.
KG.
BTW, This should all really be in the Rants, Raves and Opinion Thread but I didn't want to put that in the body of the post for fear of being accused of usurpation. Usurpation, that really really just kills me LOL!
Kinkyguy, seriously take a couple deep breaths, step back and look at what you've become. Reminds me of how Anakin Skywalker slowly became Darth Vader. The board has seemed to clear up of a lot of BS so let's try to enjoy it and keep it that way. Every so often you need bite your tongue. SMH. What a post. SMH
Nkykinkyguy
01-22-11, 23:48
Hey Nati,
Sent you a PM to clarify things. Hope you understand. If not please feel free to PM me back LOL!
I am not a Star Wars fan but I love the analogy. LOL!
Somebody has to be Darth Vader. Mr. Evil or Khan. LOL! If I have to take the hit no problem I have big shoulders I can handle it. Problem is I am not trying to take over the board. Personally I don't know anyone that is.
I just see a few people that can't stand the thought that someone other than themselves have a reasonable well thought out idea. Oh Well.
May the force be with me LOL!
Damn, now I guess I have to watch those aweful Star Wars movies so that I know my role as Darth Vader. Tried when they first came out and just couldn't get through them, kept falling asleep. Nati please send me some five hour energy so I can stay awake LOL!
KG.
BTW, I am obtuse, what does SMH mean?
Kinkyguy, seriously take a couple deep breaths, step back and look at what you've become. Reminds me of how Anakin Skywalker slowly became Darth Vader. The board has seemed to clear up of a lot of BS so let's try to enjoy it and keep it that way. Every so often you need bite your tongue. SMH. What a post. SMH
Darth Vader
01-23-11, 12:58
It was available and Jackson saw fit to give it to me. Awesome!
DV formerly known as KG.
LOL!
SMH means "shake my head". I found myself on the verge of posting in in the escort section and decided against it. Your constant long posts and LOL's make it seem as though you have been up for two weeks straight days on a meth binge :) My man, RELAX. It's a forum. Let some other people post. Serious infractions can be reported to Jackson for review. SMH....200th post....HOORAH!
This year is starting off completely wrong on the Cincinnati Board. The drama level is almost a daily read on most of the 20 Threads that we don't need. Maybe it's time to get back to Basic good Factual information.
Objectivity is what is needed on Reviews, latest finds on the SW front, what providers to steer away from and what ones or legit, and importantly LEO activities on the streets and methods on busting Hobbyist and providers.
Objectivity more so than your subjective opinions. We all have them so lets learn to accept members with other perspectives. You can learn a lot from other ideas and you don't have to counter against someone's point of view each and every time. Adding your ideas is better than arguing against.
LEO do read this board and that's a fact. Lately they're probably having a good laugh on Us with all this scrabbling and name calling among all of us.
So with that said, I'm going to leave a few famous quotes for thought and see if that can get people back on track.
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
Albert Einstein.
"We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them."
Albert Einstein.
And last and one of my favorite.
"Some are born mad. Some remain so."
Samuel Beckett.
Source: Waiting for Godot.
Harpo.
Nkykinkyguy
01-23-11, 20:00
Thanks for the info Nati, just had not seen that abbrv. Before. No meth here. Just a vodka Martini now and then.
Post away. I have never tried to stop anyone from posting. Plenty of room and threads here for everyone.
KG.
SMH means "shake my head". I found myself on the verge of posting in in the escort section and decided against it. Your constant long posts and LOL's make it seem as though you have been up for two weeks straight days on a meth binge :) My man, RELAX. It's a forum. Let some other people post. Serious infractions can be reported to Jackson for review. SMH....200th post....HOORAH!
Dillsborodave
01-25-11, 13:25
I think you are more like Jabba the Hut.
Darth Vader
01-25-11, 13:37
Means nothing to me as I have never been able to watch an entire Star Wars movie. Kept falling asleep, not very exciting to me.
BTW, how would you know you have never even met me?
OH, well. Just another day in paradise.
DV
I think you are more like Jabba the Hut.
Means nothing to me as I have never been able to watch an entire Star Wars movie. Kept falling asleep, not very exciting to me.
BTW, how would you know you have never even met me?
OH, well. Just another day in paradise.
DV"I know you are but what am I?"
Nkykinkyguy
01-29-11, 10:23
Shadow,
You are way too new to get involved in this discussion as the water is cold, deep and murky. Read the PM I sent you and if that is not a sufficent explaination you may want to PM seniors like Getnati, Ky Guy 123, Stimulus etc.
The short answer to your question is yes, in the past there have been some thoughts and / or evidence that some providers have posted reports on themselves. Read the Louisville board, there was recently a board feud on this topic that Jackson actually had to get involved in.
Learn to swim, then consider diving into deep waters such as these.
But understand this very clearly. I am making no claims, accusations or insinuations regarding this or any particular post and the names were changed to protect the innocent.
KG aka DV.
[QUOTE=Shadow Lurker; 1130523]I know I am new but would the more experienced members please tell me if I am wrong. This post seems to be very very similar to the e dot com ad.
If I am out of line please let me know but it sounds like the same person write the ad and this review.
Does this happen? If so how often and how do you tell better concealed reports. In reading past threads it does appear that some providers have posted their own reports before.
Just wondering is all as I slowly learn the hobby. Looking for help.
Still lurking but leaning. [/QUOTE
Jay Malibu
01-31-11, 10:07
I know I am new but would the more experienced members please tell me if I am wrong. This post seems to be very very similar to the e dot com ad.
If I am out of line please let me know but it sounds like the same person write the ad and this review.
Does this happen? If so how often and how do you tell better concealed reports. In reading past threads it does appear that some providers have posted their own reports before.
Just wondering is all as I slowly learn the hobby. Looking for help.
Still lurking but leaning. Dawn posting reports on her own BCD activities? I don't believe that for a minute. The only providers that do are deceptive and have bad reputations that they need to fix. By contrast, Dawn has an incredible reputation and is known well by many seniors here.
Shadow Lurker
02-01-11, 16:01
I don't know if providers post their own reports or not. I was just observing that the sound of the ad and the inclussion of some of the very same words I. E silky smooth skin were very alike is all. I do know that there have been hobbyist that have suggested that providers have posted reports. You guys are the experts I am not, Hell I got a lot of great information from the recently posted guide. BTW thank you to those that put that up. It is a big help.
As told I have read all thread here and Carso1245's report is the only one I remember where hobbyist used silky smooth skin in their report and it is also on the e dot com ad. If I missed a hobbyist report where they were happy the that the provider had silky smooth skin then I screwed up sorry but I really don't remember any.
I didn't mean to pick on any one I was just making the observation is all. Aren't we supposed to do that? If not please let me know.
Always Lurking
Cintixtreme
02-01-11, 17:32
"I didn't mean to pick on any one I was just making the observation is all. Aren't we supposed to do that? If not please let me know."
Observations are fine. Accusations are not. The question is where is the line between the two located?
I would say that in this case, most would take the observation as either an accusation or insinuation that in this particular case with this particular provider that you feel this was a false post, based upon a single phrase. And while it is understandable to question that in a totally unknown provider who pops up one day, and the next has reviews from unknown posters who have only this one review and write in a similar fashion, it is a little closer to throwing down the gauntlet when discussing a provider who has been vouched, verified and praised with exhuberance as one of the best in the area by a number of people on this board.
I guess what I am trying to say is that you need to make sure you understand the context in which you are placing your questions or observations, as we are not posting in a vacuum. In looking at the whole picture, and the provider's reputation, this question about Dawn was, in my opinion, out of line. I don't believe that your intent was to damage her reputation or her business, but an accusation of self-posting has the potential to do exactly that. That is one reason you saw the outpouring of support for Dawn. To immediately refute the accusation. The other is simply that she is an amazing person who touches everyone who meets her and causes people to care about her and support her, just as she will vehemently support her friends here.
Don't let this throw you, or make you want to leave, or withdraw from conversations. It was a mistake. We all have made them, and continue to make them. Just continue to read the boards and follow the discussions. Read back a little into the history for the last few months. It will help to give you an idea of who is who, who has similar tastes, who is well trusted and the like.
Happy hobbying and best of luck.
Jay Malibu
02-01-11, 22:47
I don't know if providers post their own reports or not. I was just observing that the sound of the ad and the inclussion of some of the very same words I. E silky smooth skin were very alike is all. I do know that there have been hobbyist that have suggested that providers have posted reports. You guys are the experts I am not, Hell I got a lot of great information from the recently posted guide. BTW thank you to those that put that up. It is a big help.
As told I have read all thread here and Carso1245's report is the only one I remember where hobbyist used silky smooth skin in their report and it is also on the e dot com ad. If I missed a hobbyist report where they were happy the that the provider had silky smooth skin then I screwed up sorry but I really don't remember any.
I didn't mean to pick on any one I was just making the observation is all. Aren't we supposed to do that? If not please let me know.
Always LurkingJust because a guy is no more creative than to pull words from a providers profile is not an indication that the provider wrote the review. It's more subtle terminology, use of words, word order and punctuation (or lack thereof) that would reveal the same person's writing. If you read reviews from other sites (that include more graphic detail) you will find that guys typically use the providers words when the words to describe activities or appearance when they are actually close to reality.
Dawn would be last one that I would expect to do this. She has excellent reviews on many other sites and would have no reason to fabricate anything. The ladies that engage in such activities generally have a history of bad performance that would need to be covered-up or refuted so as to get more business. A little research on your part would have revealed that Dawn is solid and you would have avoided the controversy. Accusations or inference are okay as long as you do your homework. Just don't jump to conclusions without the facts. The ladies depend on accurate information and comments that would question a provider's reputation without basis will cause drama and controversy. Google search is your friend.
I don't know if providers post their own reports or not. I was just observing that the sound of the ad and the inclussion of some of the very same words I. E silky smooth skin were very alike is all. I do know that there have been hobbyist that have suggested that providers have posted reports. You guys are the experts I am not, Hell I got a lot of great information from the recently posted guide. BTW thank you to those that put that up. It is a big help.
As told I have read all thread here and Carso1245's report is the only one I remember where hobbyist used silky smooth skin in their report and it is also on the e dot com ad. If I missed a hobbyist report where they were happy the that the provider had silky smooth skin then I screwed up sorry but I really don't remember any.
I didn't mean to pick on any one I was just making the observation is all. Aren't we supposed to do that? If not please let me know.
Always LurkingMy biggest problem with your post is that it has a patently false statement in it. You claim that the same phrase exists in both places and it does not. The review here clearly states that she has "silky smooth skin" while the escorts ad clearly states she has "silky flawless skin". I honestly do not know what your intentions were or are, but I hesitate to think that your error was one of naivety.
Shadow Lurker
02-02-11, 01:01
No offense to anyone one else but Jay Mal, your explanation makes the most sense to me. If indeed Carso1245 used the providers own words (Or something very close) then it makes sense to me that it would appear to be the same person. This would be a reason that it appeared that either Carso wrote the ad and the report or the provider wrote the ad and the report. If he copied her words it would seem to be the same person.
It does make sense but when it comes right down to it know one will know for sure but the provider unless someone here actually meets Caso1245 in person and gets it straight from him right?
Always Lurking
No offense to anyone one else but Jay Mal, your explanation makes the most sense to me. If indeed Carso1245 used the providers own words (Or something very close) then it makes sense to me that it would appear to be the same person. This would be a reason that it appeared that either Carso wrote the ad and the report or the provider wrote the ad and the report. If he copied her words it would seem to be the same person.
It does make sense but when it comes right down to it know one will know for sure but the provider unless someone here actually meets Caso1245 in person and gets it straight from him right?
Always LurkingIt is obvious that through your never ending posts that you indeed have some agenda with intent to in some way harm or cause pain to Dawn. You have changed your semantics, twisted quotes, and abused others' posts. You like to compare words and phrases, well I can do the same. You state that "Know one will know.". I have seen more than one time on this forum that a certain senior member consistently uses the improper "Know one" when in fact he means " No one". I am therefore calling you out as I am confident that I know who you are and further I also am confident that I understand your intentions. You are much less a man than I could ever imagine. I would think that having been found out that you would like to cast aspersions as to my veracity, please try and find some insignificant "factoid" that you believe will accomplish your desire, I care not. I am not only a member of this forum but also several others. I have more vouches and references than you will ever have. I do so believe that you are a cretin with malicious intentions toward Dawn. You have seven posts in total with four of those being derogatory and accusatory toward Dawn (or Carso who you claim to be Dawn's alter ego) , that is more than half or approximately 57. Obviously you have some tenacity with this non-issue, but now you want to meet a provider's client so that you can determine whether or not he actually penned the "review" in question, to which no one (or know one as you like to write) would ever agree. I do believe that your best course of action is to crawl back under the rock from whence you came. I will not end this post with any disclaimer that represents any of this as opinion as I solemnly believe that what I have written is purely and totally factual.
Shadow Lurker
02-02-11, 18:07
Why is it so hard for new people to get help here? I made some observations and gave my opinion on information post here. Now I am accused of living under a rock. I don't understand. Maybe it is better to not say anything at all.
I thought this was a forum to talk about all of the information posted not just what some people want to talk about. I guess I need to remain a lurker because when I do ask questions I get slammed. Maybe I just don't ask the right questions. Eithere way it is just not worth the trouble.
Shadow Lurker
Why is it so hard for new people to get help here? I made some observations and gave my opinion on information post here. (edit delete) I don't understand. (edit delete) (W)hen I do ask questions I get slammed. (edit delete) Shadow LurkerShadow Lurker, you are a self-professed newbie. You acknowledge you don't know anything and came here to learn. But five of your eight posts point out occasions of multiple identities where the only evidence you cite is a similar writing style as you observe it. That is a serious allegation to make of another poster based on the opinion of a newbie. You questioned a review of a lady who stayed the night and called the review BS. Being new you would have no idea whether the events stated in the review are probable or not. In this post you express frustration you have not been well received.
Ya think?
Okay, Shadow Lurker, welcome to the board. We're glad to have you.
Please let me suggest you stop telling us what you think. Since you don't know anything what you think is probably wrong. Keep it to yourself.
It is also best to stop asking questions. Recognize that a certain level of knowledge is necessary to ask a proper question, and you're not there yet. Recognize that a question also says something about the person asking the question. One of your questions indicates you don't realize that women have feelings. Your questions aren't working for you.
Logically, if you shouldn't say what you think and shouldn't ask questions that pretty well means it would be a good idea to stop posting. So stop posting.
We learn by reading. Read, read and read. However much you have read thus far isn't enough. Consider the reading you've done so far is only 1% of what needs to be read. I suggest you up your reading by a 100-fold and look back on your eight posts. Things will appear a lot different. When that day comes you are ready to see some girls without getting yourself hurt in the process. Come back to the board and tell us all about them. At that point you will be off to the races. And you will have a good time here. It will be worth it.
You're welcome.
Congratulations on your 8 posts. At this pace, you might reach senior status by next week without an ounce of contribution. *thumbs up*.
Nkykinkyguy
02-02-11, 23:46
Shadow,
I told you these waters were cold, deep and murky. I firmly believe that new members deserve to be helped. But I also agree that you need to read, learn and contribute before trying to swim.
If you continue to pose questions and give opinions without making valid contributions you are going to continue to not be taken seriously.
As I have said many times before, read everything, see a well known provider and report back. Even though she may have been reported on 100 times it will show you are legit and making a contribution, then you can start to make observations and state your opinions to a more receptive audience.
These water can get slimey at times. So avoid the slime and make a contribution.
KG
Jay Malibu
02-03-11, 07:24
No offense to anyone one else but Jay Mal, your explanation makes the most sense to me. If indeed Carso1245 used the providers own words (Or something very close) then it makes sense to me that it would appear to be the same person. This would be a reason that it appeared that either Carso wrote the ad and the report or the provider wrote the ad and the report. If he copied her words it would seem to be the same person.
It does make sense but when it comes right down to it know one will know for sure but the provider unless someone here actually meets Caso1245 in person and gets it straight from him right?
Always LurkingIt appears to me that you're trying to start trouble here. There's a name for this type of activity. Unless you've met the ladies and guys for which you're questioning, I would say that you're trolling. I know Dawn very well, have been BCD with Sophie. Additionally, WM, GC, Walt, KG all know these ladies very well. Many of us share a lot of information off-line and have a solid level of trust that, at this rate, you'll never know. So troll some more. Eventually you'll be banned and on most other boards, would have happened already.
What is this? Every time I've ever clinked on a link to a TS ad, (just morbid curiosity) , they have upwards of an 8 1/2" surprise waiting? Makes me think that whatever their doing to increase wang length must work!
I'm am really feeling kind of puny here.
Just a thought.
Ez
Ezenuf,
It is probably in all how you measure it. When you measure a cat's tail, you measure from the asshole to the tip. Maybe, that is how you should measure your cock and then report it that way. . That is probably what I should do when asked for my stats.
Roger.
What is this? Every time I've ever clinked on a link to a TS ad, (just morbid curiosity) , they have upwards of an 8 1/2" surprise waiting? Makes me think that whatever their doing to increase wang length must work!
I'm am really feeling kind of puny here.
Just a thought.
Ez
Todd Cincy
06-14-11, 22:14
The other day I read a post on here from a hobbyist who described himself as "almost 70."
At 43, I am a few years behind this hobbyist but still a long way from my early 20s---prime scoring time for the "civilian" male population (especially if you like young, hot chicks).
One nice thing about being a hobbyist is that you're never really too old. On the other hand, the "civilian" male over 35 who regularly beds attractive young women is extremely rare. (I am of course excluding George Clooney, ex-pro atheletes, etc.) If you are over 40 and a hot young thing is hitting on you, she probably wants something.
I'm not sure if you've ever thought about how much a pain in the a$$ this would all be without the hobby. From time-to-time I think it is good to reflect on how much better the hobby world is versus the civilian world for the "average" guy.
Dillsborodave
07-01-11, 12:41
Is this just a hobby or a lifestyle? A fellow member made a post that this is just a hobby and should be treated as such. I pm'd him and said it is more of a lifestyle than a hobby for me. He was very condescending toward me after that. Its one of those members who think they know it all. What I been reading in the backpage section leads me to believe others might feel the same as me. I would like to hear other opinions please.
Is this just a hobby or a lifestyle? A fellow member made a post that this is just a hobby and should be treated as such. I pm'd him and said it is more of a lifestyle than a hobby for me. He was very condescending toward me after that. Its one of those members who think they know it all. What I been reading in the backpage section leads me to believe others might feel the same as me. I would like to hear other opinions please.Who cares what he thinks? If it's a lifestyle to you, it's a lifestyle to you.
Marmon1913
07-03-11, 13:42
[QUOTE=Ezenuf; 1138611]What is this? Every time I've ever clinked on a link to a TS ad, (just morbid curiosity) , they have upwards of an 8 1/2" surprise waiting? Makes me think that whatever their doing to increase wang length must work!
I'm am really feeling kind of puny here.
Just a thought.
It's not the size of the wand that the magician waves over the hat It's the way he pulls the rabbit out of it. Plus long and thin go further in but short and thick does the trick.
Motto:It's not how big or little it is It's what you do with it. As one Lady stated to me I'd rather bust my back to get a little of it, than break my back to get to get away from alot of it. Just my. O2 worth Marmon
I think Playboy obviously has the most gorgeous women, but they are artsy, tasteful, and about as exhilarating as a medieval painting. Their girl / girl stuff is especially pathetic.
The hard-core stuff doesn't do anything for me. I just don't like to see five minute close up shots of genitalia. Also, naked men are gross to look at. I don't know why women aren't all lesbians because even fit men are gross to look at. All porn should be no guys allowed.
So anyway, are there any good sites that are in between Playboy and hard-core? I've tried to search around and haven't seen any. It seems like the options are tasteful nudes a 10 year old could view, or hard-core raunchy.
I don't think I am the only one in the market for medium core porn. Maybe the distributors could make some more. It would be awesome if Playboy added a little bit of spice without being explicit, but they have their niche.
Douchebags. Too many hissy fits and stroking each other. Same ol shit, just another day.
Follow this as a report example:
(Name. Link. Description of Services. Rating. Shut the fuck up.)
The other day I read a post on here from a hobbyist who described himself as "almost 70."
At 43, I am a few years behind this hobbyist but still a long way from my early 20s-prime scoring time for the "civilian" male population (especially if you like young, hot chicks).
One nice thing about being a hobbyist is that you're never really too old. On the other hand, the "civilian" male over 35 who regularly beds attractive young women is extremely rare. (I am of course excluding George Clooney, ex-pro atheletes, etc.) If you are over 40 and a hot young thing is hitting on you, she probably wants something.
I'm not sure if you've ever thought about how much a pain in the a$$ this would all be without the hobby. From time-to-time I think it is good to reflect on how much better the hobby world is versus the civilian world for the "average" guy.I wouldn't do a woman my age if she paid me.
Luvsmassage
07-21-11, 21:15
I just want to say how impressed I am with the amount of good quality information buried on the Cincinnati board. I was away from the board from last November until April. My interest is escorts. So, the first thing I did upon my return was read all the "escort-related" forum posts for the past year. It took an entire afternoon. Yet, I completed my reading assignment with a complete, up-to-date knowledge of the current escorts in Cincinnati. I learned who was great, good, mediocre, bad, a rip-off, etc. The information was right here at my fingertips and screen. All I had to do was do my homework.
However, it also involved sifting through the endless, and repetitive posts of arguments among members. Three quarters of the forum section posts were nothing but arguments. Arguments usually dealt with how one member didn't think another member measured up to their standards. Then a handful of other members jump onboard to toss in their two cents. One thing I noticed is that it is typically the same handful of members who are involved in the arguments.
I just shake my head when I see these arguments break out on a weekly basis. The point of the forum is to provide information about sex providers in Cincinnati. We end up with a good review post buried within a slew of 8 other posts of arguments. And the arguments are going on in most of the subsections.
I can understand why newbies just ask for information instead of reading through the majority of forum posts which are disputes. And of course reviews of escorts are spread out among BP Reviews, General Reports, Escort Reports, Rip Offs, etc. The search feature on here also really sucks if you're looking for posts about providers who may change names, or BP titles. So, I've given up using the search feature. I just read and sift instead.
I put this post in this subsection because this is where it belongs. It didn't belong in BP reviews, Escort Reports, Escort Discussion, General Reports, etc. I guess I'm asking members to pause and take a deep breath before responding to a member you disagree with. Post your disagreements in the Ranting subsection. I have a feeling it will get read and responded to even if it doesn't immediately follow the post that "pushes someone's hot button." It will reduce the pollution of augumentative posts in the review subsections. Which will result in a user friendly board for finding info about providers.
I think the arguments over worthy / unworthy members detracts from the forum. It is a shame that a few very knowledgeable seniors have become tempermental and chosen to withhold reviews and guidance from newbies. But, I am impressed that many newbies have taken up the slack and provided some good quality reviews.
(edit delete) I just shake my head when I see these arguments break out on a weekly basis. (edit delete)Agreed. I sometimes think there might be a correlation between those who have difficulty getting along with others on the board and also report they phoned or emailed a girl and could not get a response. I wonder about the message they left, the email and the tone of it all, if that might have something to do with it. I don't understand coming here and being argumentative. It must be fun to some people. I don't know any other explanation and don't understand it.
Ky Guy 123
07-22-11, 04:13
Anonymity of the Interwebz can sometimes inflict the dreaded disease 'Asshattery' in even the best people.. plain and simple. That's one of the many reasons why if I'm having a bad day, I stay as far away from a keyboard and a forum as I can. *chuckle*
:p
Agreed. I sometimes think there might be a correlation between those who have difficulty getting along with others on the board and also report they phoned or emailed a girl and could not get a response. I wonder about the message they left, the email and the tone of it all, if that might have something to do with it. I don't understand coming here and being argumentative. It must be fun to some people. I don't know any other explanation and don't understand it.
Just a diplomatic reminder of some of the rules that are applicable to this forum:
No Flaming: Please do not post any messages that harrass, insult, belittle, threaten or flame another member.
No Trolling: Please do not post any topic that disrupts the peace and harmony of this board. Don't create meaningless threads with the sole purpose of starting a dispute.
General Politeness: Referring to other Members with a minimal level of civility.
Now. Shut the fuck up!
Man I need to become a senior at some point and 6mos is a long time to wait LOL. I have already met with the only 2 somewhat decent providers on here. Kinda sucks some of the guys won't take a referral from a respected provider to pass on pm contact info for a good girl.
Greetings Everyone,
I'm always suspicious when anyone posts an obituary announcement in the forum, largely because 99% of them are bogus attempts by a parting serial antagonist to fuck with the forum membership. That's why I've had a long standing policy of deleting obituaries without comment.
However, I left the VampireWeekend obituary notice up because so many of you responded so touchingly.
Nevertheless, I also searched the local media and police websites and could find no reference to any such traffic fatality, and thus I decided yesterday to mark the original obituary and all the tearful responses for deletion tomorrow.
Thanks,
JacksonAs if we don't have enough drama that gets stirred up in the Cincy threads, I found some interesting reading in the Warren, OH section today. I like to check in there every once in a while because I have a bad case of AMP envy. But anyhow, think about what a pain in the rear it must be for Jackson to try to police this forum and clean up threads in an attempt to keep info relevant. I would think that with all thread clean up and no play that it could turn Jackson into a dull boy, but the above quote does show that he can respond from the heart (although I think maybe his tongue still might have been planted in his cheek, but maybe just not so firmly this time).
Sometime when you are not necessarily reading here on an immediate quest for the little head you can find some humorous stuff on the "Forum" page under the threads "Complaints about Other Members","Banned Users Hall of Shame", etc. Makes you realize that when shit gets stirred up in Cincy that maybe its not as bad as it could be!
Jay Malibu
11-16-11, 14:06
Would it be too much to ask that all Cincinnati hobbyists actually read and do a little research? I believe that it's great to participate on these forums, and we all truly do want the participation. However, many newbies post with little regard to the validity of the information that they are posting. If you want the respect and credibility that some of the members have on this site, you need to be responsible with your posts. Posting incorrect or misleading information will only get you flamed and called out. Do yourself a favor and do some research. Make sure you know what you're talking about before you post. Does it not bother you that you are making false accusations?
If someone were to post that you (name the hobbyist) were a dirty slob, weigh 450 pounds and refuse to pay or short-pay every provider you see, would it not affect your ability to get an appointment? There is a good reason to be credible and diligent in your posts. Otherwise you may find someone posting bad information about you!
Why does it take so long for information to get posted on this forum?
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Hi Trogie,
I appreciate your position.
First, please recognize the the purpose of monitoring reports it not to aggravate you but to keep the forum free of SPAM. It is specifically because I put in the work to monitor posts that The Forum is relatively SPAM free. I don't like all the work, but I know from experience that there's no other option.
Second, the Forum is a compendium of reports, not a chat room. I care about the reports, not the chit-chat. Therefor, I don't think it's really that big of a deal if, for example, a travel report to Rio de Janerio is visible at 6pm or not until a few hours later?
Third, I disagree with your contention that "it take so long for information to get posted ". I moderate and approve all new reports at least twice per day, and sometimes several times a day. The average delay is less than 6 hours. I know because I watch the statistics every day. The only time the delay is more than 12 hours is on those few days when I have some issue that prevents me from getting to a computer, such as a day when I may be flying between continents. Even then, I usually find an internet cafe at the airports so I can approve the pending reports before I get on my flight and again when I land.
Personally, I think you should be commending me for doing such a great job of managing the forum instead of telling me that I don't do it fast enough.
Thanks,
Jackson
All,
I received the PM below from a person who has "zero" posts. I know how Wingman would respond, how would the rest of you respond?
Reviews.
Saw your post of earlier this month. I'm old, but a cautions newbie. Recently had my first session which went well, after looking at some another site reviews. There don't seem to be many reviews there of Cincy providers. Can you tell me where else to look? Would appreciate it. Thanks.
All,
I received the PM below from a person who has "zero" posts. I know how Wingman would respond, how would the rest of you respond?
Reviews.
Saw your post of earlier this month. I'm old, but a cautions newbie. Recently had my first session which went well, after looking at some another site reviews. There don't seem to be many reviews there of Cincy providers. Can you tell me where else to look? Would appreciate it. Thanks.I'd tell him to drop the cash and buy a short membership to another site & Indys, but that's just me.
Wingman Todd
11-19-11, 20:34
And I quote: "There don't seem to be many reviews there of Cincy providers." Oh lord! Immediate delete for me!
WM.
All,
I received the PM below from a person who has "zero" posts. I know how Wingman would respond, how would the rest of you respond?
Reviews.
Saw your post of earlier this month. I'm old, but a cautions newbie. Recently had my first session which went well, after looking at some another site reviews. There don't seem to be many reviews there of Cincy providers. Can you tell me where else to look? Would appreciate it. Thanks.
Cincyeast52
11-20-11, 09:56
All,
Saw your post of earlier this month. I'm old, but a cautions newbie. Recently had my first session which went well, after looking at some another site reviews. There don't seem to be many reviews there of Cincy providers. Can you tell me where else to look? Would appreciate it. Thanks.This guy's post HAS to be a joke because no one-and I mean no one-could be this ignorant.
Member #4570
02-26-12, 13:31
If posts have to be reviewed first unless from an unmoderated senior, how is it that there are those people who are able to post in "Escort Classified Ads. Posted by Escorts. No Reviews or Commentary" when they are not a provider? Who is screening the posts?
Seems to me that the title of the forum is self-explanatory but the post review should weed those non-providers out, right?
-BB
Different guys define GFE as differently, but most pretty much agree that a GFE usually involves the illusion of passion, especially during the BJ, and for me that means sans the latex. Keep in mind there are some folks in the hobby that think ANY uncovered activity is insane. I used to be one of them, but I could not lie to myself once I knew the truth that oral sex was not Russian Roulette after all, uncovered blow jobs are frickin' awesome.
Let me whisper a little secret I have learned about humans in general:
Just like there are some guys that love DATY (I mean they like the smell, taste, and texture and get off on the power rush they get from pushing all the right buttons and levers) and some guys can't stand it? Well, there are women out there that love to give blowjobs. Some of them have learned to make money off of the thing they love to do.
Right about now several providers will chime in and post that they love to give head. If you still believe every post you read, go ahead and just take their word on it. However once you find a gal that genuinely connects with you and actually loves to give oral sex, and you will get a second job to keep those BBBJNQNS coming every few days.
Just like most women can tell the difference when a guy likes to savor their pussy, and others are merely doing what is expected of them, the intuitive male will pick up on whether the passion was an act that was paid for or if it is genuine. Ladies, please do everyone a favor and don't post how much you like giving blow jobs unless it really is true. Some of us consider that a very important part of the GFE.
Yes, there is always the big fat YMMV elephant in the room, but even though it might just be personal energy, or synergy at least, that is shared you can still sense if somebody is having a good time, and sorry but I come down on the side of the GFE aficionados and that is a good GFE involves a great blow job that literally shows a guy you whistle while you work. If you don't care what the woman thinks and believe all blow jobs are the same, you probably quit reading this a paragraph or two ago, so make fun of me and go waste your money on addicts, actresses and grifters.
For those of you that are still reading, here come the apples of gold. I share them with you freely because mongers older and wiser than me took the time and energy to share them with me when I was but a hobby padawan.
There are many reasons a lady might not like oral sex. If it is merely taste and odor, then that is the man's fault. Some wise choices in personal hygiene, grooming, and diet can make your member more inviting and if the lady suggests that your spunk is junk, change your diet and quit smoking, if you even care what they are thinking when they are performing. Cranberry, pineapple, and kiwi have all been medically proven to contain the crucial enzymes and proteins that make for better quality and quantity in the semen factory you think of as your balls.
If the aversion is texture, get over the CIM drive and learn some control or cues from your partner and your will find yourself getting better blowjobs once she relaxes and trusts that you won't splash it anywhere she doesn't want it.
If you are shaking your head, just put yourself in their place for a moment. If you weren't big fan of DATY to begin with, can you imagine your shock if you were with a more orgasmic woman that squirted all in your mouth and all over your face as you did your duty. If that image just caused a gag reflex in your mouth, now you can at least commiserate with the reluctant blowjob.
Some of you just got an erection at the idea of a women squirting while you play with them. First, no the porn you may have come across was not some gag, gimmick, or special effect. All women are anatomically capable of squirting during an orgasm. Not all women choose to do it, or know they can do it. For many the sensation is too much like urination and they tense up and internalize the orgasm out of discomfort or embarrassment—remember since the sensation is similar to a woman, you might be fighting years of potty-training and social norms. No the female ejaculate is not urine. It is actually mostly sucrose and water secreted through the urea hence the reason it feels the same way to a woman. If you want to learn more about how to do this with the lady of your choice you can do a quick search on Google. Don't waste your money though. There are folks out there that will want to sell you a system or video presentation for forty bucks or more. PM me before you click the 'add to cart' button. I can put you in touch with a guy that will sell you the same video for four bucks, for that matter he can get you other porn that isn't so instructional as well, but I digress.
My point here is that just like you get extra horny when a provider has gone to the trouble to be fresh, clean, and as attractive as they can make themselves, they are humans too and the more you give the more you get, and I am not just talking about money.
And for you goofs that are going to itching to post a reply of: 'I pay them to so I don't care what they think, then you have not met a provider that happens to be a woman that loves to give head and likes you enough to be herself as she gobbles your pole. That passion can't be faked.
Sadly, I didn't find this out until I was hobbying-for a long while. Keep in mind I had my first 'dream' right in the middle of the nightmare of AIDS in the early eighties, when people wondered if it was even safe to kiss deeply.
My experiences with civilian BJ's were less than stellar, most likely because they were always covered, even as a teen at the drive-in, you knew you better bring a condom if you wanted to reach third base with the epidemic dominating the headlines. Then later the one uncovered blow job blow job I got from a girlfriend was all teeth and no spit. Then later even my wife at the time, made me cover up for oral sex and admitted after a few months that she HATED the very thought of oral sex.
I sort of figured that all women were really like that-until I splurged one day as a young man and went with professional talent when on a business trip in a city that pretty much winks at everything our city blushes at. I couldn't resist, there were handbills all over the lobby and even in the room that advertised a variety of exotic things I didn't even know about. Because I was born and raised in Porkopolis.
Now, sure I was wet behind the ears and got wrapped up in the illusion of the passion and quickly forgot the price I paid for it, but this was my first experience with a woman that ever approached anything like I saw in porn. I looked down and started doing baseball stats in my head just to make it last longer. I remember looking down as she devoured me and thought: "this woman thinks my dick tastes like chocolate!"
I came a few strokes later and it was a CBJ!
I had an epiphany-forget civilian sex, when you pay for it you ALWAYS get a woman that loves to do this, that's why she is doing it, right? I even got in the habit of even being a nice guy and started buying flavored condoms just for the oral sex. Like I said, wet behind the ears.
Of course, I found myself chasing the dragon. Pretty soon even great blowjobs did little to make me cum. I just chalked it up to me getting older and being a bit more in control, or maybe the talent just wasn't what it used to be. Maybe it was just the novelty of passion, even if it was an illusion I paid for. In reality it was the lack of cover, but I would ran the other direction at the thought of being with somebody you didn't 'love' and being uncovered. I would run twice as fast, if it were a professional back then. Some of you don't remember the covers of Time magazine scaring the hell out of you.
By the way, I would later discover something about those flavored condoms: they are slightly smaller than the regular ones. I don't know if that is intent on the design, or if it is the nature of the flavoring and coloring process, but either way if you are a guy of girth like me, you need a Magnum anyway, putting on one of those flavored condoms could restrict your orgasm. Either way I soon discovered when I didn't have a bright orange tourniquet around my cock, I could actually cum much easier. I can only imagine what orange flavored rubber must taste like anyway.
I didn't learn that little trick until the internet came and some provider shared that info in a post a decade ago. She actually uploaded the photo proof with a ruler and shared her thoughts on flavored vs. Unflavored condoms. Speaking of the internet, you younger folks have no idea how blessed you are. Some of us have been mongering since a Commodore 64 was a fast and expensive personal computer. Some of us can even remember the Radio Shack Trash 80 that came with a cassette tape, and some of us even remember using slotted data punch cards.
Any way, when you used to have to trust a buddy or fellow monger you met at a club for info, or trust the Yellow Pages (If you didn't understand my Commodore 64 metaphor, you probably didn't know hotel rooms used to come standard with this really big book in every room that you had to actually page through to find the location and phone number of a given service or product you wanted, and I am not talking about the one the Gideons put there) or the given city's alternative community paper you could find at most clubs and you literally opened the newsprint up. Turned to the back page (yep, that is where the name of the electronic source many use came from) and read the adult classified section and tried to read between the lines and hope you didn't get cash and dashed, mugged, raped, or had the lovely surprise of a tranny-goat knocking on your hotel door.
The internet changed mongering forever. Pretty soon we were exchanging information and learning about the hobby in a whole new way. When you added instant information and research to the mix, you have a beautiful thing in the pay to play world.
Soon I was reading about this thing they called GFE and there were many heated exchanges over the whole CBJ vs BBBJ and even more initials like CIM or COF or COB, NQNS added to the acronym we used to just know as a plain old BJ.
It took me a while to get the hang of the lingo and how do figure out if a lady was into the same things you were into. My first experience with a BBBJCINQNS was my first professional uncovered blowjob. I think I came in less than a minute. It only happened because the provider I was seeing fairly regularly became comfortable enough with me to ask,"do you mind if we go without the rubber" as I dutifully reached over for the little foil square on the nightstand when things went from frisky to heated,"I'm not really a fan of cherry flavored rubber."
Believe it or not I actually paused and thought about it.
She didn't give me much time to think about it and went right at it. It was incredible. I never felt anything like this wonderful sensation in my life. Then I looked down and the visual of her happily gobbling my cock caused me to surge and I curled my toes and fingers and fought back the urge to cum and worried about the whole CIM thing I had read about.
Should I warn her? Does she know I am ready to cum? Should I just let her go, should I pull out and shoot it someplace other than her mouth. I reached down and lifted her chin. She pulled off and said, 'you've never cum before during a REAL blowjob, have you? '
I grinned sheepishly at her and she returned my look with evil, impish grin.
"Get ready for the ride of your life," she whispered in a husky voice and then she really went to town. I wanted it to last forever, but it was more like forty seconds and I exploded and when I reached down instinctively, she pushed my hands away, deep-throated me and swallowed every drop.
I was hooked.
Little did I know that she was actually the reigning queen of blowjobs in Ohio. If anyone remembers the parties that Always Amy used to throw around Halloween, she was the gal that had the five minute guarantee: "If she could make you cum in five minutes or less, you had to pay her charity $50, which was a pretty good sum back in the day. I think she earned the charity a few thousand dollars during the weekend party; I don't think anyone got a free blowjob from her that weekend.
That was a long time ago. Since then providers have come and gone. Many of them were very talented and it was sad to see them leave, others well to quote a wiser monger here: "well, goodbye and good luck working at Taco Bell."
Keep in mind, there is a great deal of width between the provider that is your ATF and the one that should go back to Taco Bell. My ATFs tend to be oral people, like me. Some people are wired differently. Some actually enjoy oral sex more than regular sex. I have come to respect folks that view this matter from a different vantage than where I am at this moment.
If a lady asks for a cover during oral sex, I will comply without a word of complaint, but it does go into any review I would write, and I won't re-book. BBBJ's are that important to me. I have no problem with tolerating other positions on this issue. In fact, there was great provider that just retired this year that I frequented often. She is from northern Ohio and was known for great blowjobs, so I booked with her. I soon learned why she traveled around the state and always had a full dance card when visiting if you didn't act quick: she gave an awesome blowjob. I booked with her regularly and even drove to the other cities when possible just for that awesome blowjob. The more I saw her, the more I got know her. I started noticing a pattern that she often would excuse herself during oral sex if I came. I finally asked her about it and she confided in me that she loved giving head, but hated the texture of cum. She only did CIM because of the all-important dollar.
Folks, that gave me great pause.
As some of you know it is possible to forge a type of friendship with some of these ladies and when she confided in me, I had a whole new respect for others. This poor girl was often just holding the cum under her tongue until she could sneak away to spit or hide her face as she grimaced and swallowed. To be honest, I would never have noticed her discomfort if I wasn't seeing her several times a month (I had a lot more disposable income back then). I told her that was the last time I would ever cum during oral sex with her. She feared that meant I wasn't booking anymore, but I assured her by paying her in advance (something I never do) for a session the next day and would bring some porn videos with me so we could try to emulate what was done in the videos. That was when we discovered the joys of COF and COB. She was great at giving head. She was so good at it that I went from being a one-shot-on-goal-and-then-I-need-a-nap-and-sandwich kind of guy, to learning the wonderment of multiple shots on goal with her for my first time in my history. As I have noted, I have difficulty cumming, but once I do, I am usually done, but Jenna tutored me in many ways.
She became even better once she started to learn to recognize the cues that a guy was going to cum and could seamlessly let him ejaculate with little or none of it getting past her lips. We had a load of fun (pun intended) practicing our timing. The first few times we missed the beat and told her just to let it fall back out of her mouth. By Jove, I think we discovered something. If you think it is a visual turn-on to watch the moneyshot in porn, just imagine that video being real. Maybe I am weird, but the visual cue of her gobbling me right up until I orgasmed and then pumping my cock with her hands and spraying it everywhere really turned me on. I might like cumming, outside better than inside anyway. She was certainly happier and her blowjobs were already great, once she could relax and feel in control, they became legendary.
Jenna and I started seeing less of each other, as often happens with ATFs just for our own safety and sanity. So I was back out on the market and looking for a new gal that could ring my bell.
Soon I learned to be comfortable with either CIM or COB. If the lady is relaxed it will be better, so if you become a bit more fluid in your hobby boundaries, you might just catch lightning in the bottle for yourself. There were many providers they came and went that had similar stories and skills and learning curves.
Then came Columbus Nicole. If you are still reading this and knew her, there is nothing I need to say. That was the last provider that could pretty much dominate me orally anytime she wanted to, regardless of every tantric breathing trick I tried. I doubt I was the only one that she had that power with. That lady, honest as the day is long, simply loved to suck cock, and she would say it that way. Sadly she moved several states away.
So there is my opus on the GFE and why BBBJ is essential and CIM is a bonus.
Not all agree and that is fine. For me the BBBJ is as important as the money is to most gals. By the way, you do know that some of these ldies are leading second lives just like we are? Some of them got into the hobby by accident. They started as just swingers or maybe looking to connect on an adult side, but then they learn they are pretty damn good at this and they can get paid, and pretty soon you have your Uberwhore. That is a compliment, for those that miss my point. If you are lucky enough your uberwhore, cling to her, she is rare.
This shit of searching for the right gal all over again is worse then dating again, because you. Wait a minute you pay for it one way or another, nevermind.
Maybe I am weird, but I was so desperate I promised a provider I confided in of my current struggle and we arranged a deal that if she could manage to get me to CIM, I would pay her double. She put out a very earnest effort, but still no bang. She worked the way beyond the session, and still no joy in Muddville, I felt so bad, I gave her the bonus anyway. So come early March, when I recharge my hobby funds, I might wait and save up so I can go and see a sure bet.
I've been told that our local porn star, Sydney Thomas, is the woman to call, but I had an allergic reaction to her rates. That would be more than double that bonus I had offered to the lady I was pretty sure could get the job done. So what is a poor guy to do? Pay the premium for the supposed 'sure thing' or keep stumbling around looking for my next ATF. It wouldn't be my first porn star, but I am not sure four videos on Reality Kings makes you a star of enough quality to charge those rates. Now if it were Deidre Holland, I would take out a reverse mortgage. For some of you that is real blast from the past.
JohnGalt10
02-29-12, 15:24
I wouldn't do a woman my age if she paid me.I'm not sure if you've ever thought about how much a pain in the a$$ this would all be without the hobby. From time-to-time I think it is good to reflect on how much better the hobby world is versus the civilian world for the "average" guy.
That is absolutely true. Cheaper by far and more certain even counting the no shows. Not hardly the drama. The l. E. Problem can be mitigated by doing the research here and putting the advice to work (like getting a burner play phone-already saved my ass once).
Cincyeast52
04-01-12, 11:15
We are mongers. The providers are working girls.
While the illusion is fun, it does not change a thing. We pay for what they have, in return? They give it to us. Simple transaction. With illusions. All good.
At what point does that give them a right to post on our board? The providers need to stay on the ad page. Tell us what you have, we will call if we want it. GEEZ!
101I like when they post on our board. It makes them real and gives insight into their personalities.
I look forward to hearing their thoughts, outside their ad postings.
Trogdor1973
04-10-12, 15:32
Dear Providers. Please empty your Voicemail boxes! Thanks. LOL
WetVelvet1
04-16-12, 05:37
I have a rant and its been a long time coming as I am usually a pretty easy going girl! It drives me just as CRAZY when you guys are rude and don't either call nor cancel. I have lots of calls and I am very busy and if your not going to show up then CALL EMAIL something. Is it REALLY that freaking HARD to do? I could have put someone that called in your time. If you make an appt the day before then guess what I have you marked for that time and can't put anyone that has called in for that time. If that was me doing that I would be hung on here. If I have to cancel for some reason I try my hardest to give you a notice of at least an hour.
I mean come on just like you gentlemen have demanding and busy schedules in life so do I. You would not just not show up for a doctors appt would you? Well please please show me the same kind of consideration. PLEASE!
I do understand things come up. Just like being late if your 10 min late you lose your time slot unless you have kept in touch with me. I do have other appts after you and do not like to run behind on them. When you get to me 10 min late and I have to cut the hour short because of it that's not my fault but sometimes some do treat me as it is my fault.
I know I will probably get slammed for this but hey it's in the right spot and it is something that really does get on my last nerve. I do try and accomadate and be fair to everyone. Guess what you have to show me the same kind of consideration as I do to you at all times.
Thank you,
XOXO.
Wet Velvet
If I had to name my ultimate hobby wish, it would be to find just one lady that resembles a cast member from my all time favorite show, Firefly.
I could die happy if I managed a ten hand session!
174138
Although Ginger Snaps that used to work on the west side of town was darn close to Innara.
WetVelvet1
05-03-12, 08:19
If I had to name my ultimate hobby wish, it would be to find just one lady that resembles a cast member from my all time favorite show, Firefly.
I could die happy if I managed a ten hand session!
174138
Although Ginger Snaps that used to work on the west side of town was darn close to Innara.I would die very happy with those girls hands all over me too! My ultimate wish would be to have a 3 or 4 hour session and very romatic rose petals, wine, chocolate, the whole nine yards with both of us leaving very pleased and completely satisfied!
Member #4570
05-19-12, 17:18
All I wan't is a regular provier somewhere between Amelia and Georgetown Ohio. Is that too much to $% ask for?
Trying to call Angie, no answer and voice mail full.
Trying to call Missy, no answer and voice mail full.
I get out of work at 8 and I am in need of a massage and fun afterwards but can't detour through the city to find some.
At this point, she doesn't even have to be a spinner, just HWP and clean.
-BigBird69
Newbie 101
05-23-12, 12:10
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JusTooShort
05-27-12, 04:20
A current backpage massage provider is changed her name to escape bad reviews by numerous different mongers, her sister is great, has a fucking following! I won't lie I'm part of it. But this good sister suggested the name change, the bad sister is a pregnant drug addict who won't tell no one while booking that she is 8 months pregnant untill you get there and the door opens and out jumps her stomach! I'm getting chewed out over on massage reports just for letting everyone know about the bad sister and no one wants to really say what they feel about the bad sister because they don't want to piss off the good sister! When it seems the bad sister doesn't even give a shit her sister keeps running to her rescue! We should stand up and say our reports and opinions without being white knights to get in good graces with an ATF right!
Cincyeast52
05-27-12, 20:57
A current backpage massage provider is changed her name to escape bad reviews by numerous different mongers, her sister is great, has a fucking following! I won't lie I'm part of it. But this good sister suggested the name change, the bad sister is a pregnant drug addict who won't tell no one while booking that she is 8 months pregnant untill you get there and the door opens and out jumps her stomach! I'm getting chewed out over on massage reports just for letting everyone know about the bad sister and no one wants to really say what they feel about the bad sister because they don't want to piss off the good sister! When it seems the bad sister doesn't even give a shit her sister keeps running to her rescue! We should stand up and say our reports and opinions without being white knights to get in good graces with an ATF right!You are expending WAY too much energy on this issue. I suggest you drop it. You spoke your piece.
Newbie 101
06-23-12, 17:58
This will probably be my last post under this screen name, since a moderator abuses his power (my last strike). Yet, I will be back.
Wingman? Why? . Do you do, what you do? You set things aflaming. Get your point across, then delete others, with your admin power, to make your power move. Other Members and several Providers feel the same way. You're an a$$. Hopefully Jackson reads this before you.
101
Lots of the old stand-bys and several others seem to be lowering their prices quite frequently these days. See many deals Guess the market may be flooded and the economy is rougher than some say. Certainly is a buyers market it seems. Can't help but wonder if some will try and improve their customer service, attitude and general sales pitch as a result. In the real world it would work like that but who knows if provider will wise up enough to figure it out?
You set things aflaming. Get your point across, then delete others, with your admin power, to make your power move.How did that happen? That guy has been disruptive on every board he has ever visited in the last decade.
OneOnlyStormy
06-30-12, 03:45
Lots of the old stand-bys and several others seem to be lowering their prices quite frequently these days. See many deals Guess the market may be flooded and the economy is rougher than some say. Certainly is a buyers market it seems. Can't help but wonder if some will try and improve their customer service, attitude and general sales pitch as a result. In the real world it would work like that but who knows if provider will wise up enough to figure it out?I know I have wised up! Not only in the hobby for $ one here that actually loves what goes on in this hobby!
MollyDaniels
06-30-12, 15:13
Let me say that five more times, and maybe I will feel better.
Here's the deal.
Bring the repercusssions, I don't care.
Someone has been trying to see me, and after noticing a warning on a particular site just for us girls (keep in mind this was a warning from a very respected provider that has never seen him, just dealt with harrassing disrespectful texts) , I decided not to see him.
Keeps asking to meet, saying he is a nice guy (just like girls with a bad review, sometimes you have to give them another shot).
So I asked simply for a reference so I could talk to a girl to ensure he was cool.
He wouldn't give me a number for a reference, saying that he would not give a ref number to someone he hasn't met. WTF? Phone numbers are all over the internet.
Smells fishy to me.
Just my rant.
Ladies, please pm me to help me better remedy situations like this.
I guess this is just my 2 cent donation on this topic. Considering I do not know the details. Just a point-counterpoint observation.
I tend to share time with one UTR provider, and view this site mainly for entertainment purposes. On occasion, in between having that special playmate, I will venture out to an advertised and reviewed provider. When asked for a reference, it would not be fair of me to share the digits of a lady who has moved on to a different lifestyle. More importantly? . One who has asked to keep things private. I respect that, and always will.
I guess what I am saying? There are times when your rant can make some sense. Just a thought. Obviously, there is some history with the person that has you fired up.
Excellent use of the Rant board (BTW)!
Pleasant dreams!
69
Let me say that five more times, and maybe I will feel better.
Here's the deal.
Bring the repercusssions, I don't care.
Someone has been trying to see me, and after noticing a warning on a particular site just for us girls (keep in mind this was a warning from a very respected provider that has never seen him, just dealt with harrassing disrespectful texts) , I decided not to see him.
Keeps asking to meet, saying he is a nice guy (just like girls with a bad review, sometimes you have to give them another shot).
So I asked simply for a reference so I could talk to a girl to ensure he was cool.
He wouldn't give me a number for a reference, saying that he would not give a ref number to someone he hasn't met. WTF? Phone numbers are all over the internet.
Smells fishy to me.
Just my rant.
Ladies, please pm me to help me better remedy situations like this.
Dear Providers. Please empty your Voicemail boxes! Thanks. LOLBro, I know that feeling.
BiggerDog69
07-05-12, 23:57
As a regular member trying to post and help out, I just wanted to thank those Sr members who have pm'd me, shared valuable Intel, and just been good all around fellow hobbyists. I feel at home here, and even though drama does pop up from time to time, what family doesn't have squabbles? Keep it safe, keep it real. It's all just a dream anyway. One many if us don't want to wake up from.
BD69
10 Situations In Which You'd Want To Avoid Getting A Blowjob.
1. After your blowjob buddy comes back from getting a filling (and I'm not talking about a creampie). Her mouth will be numb from the novocaine, and she chances of her chomping down on your dick are high!
2. Avoid getting a blowjob on a rollercoaster. Getting a blowjob while traveling on a bumpy cart going 130 miles per hour is just asking for disaster.
3. When the **** offering you to give the blowjob has a first name of Lorena and a last name of Bobbit.
4. If the girl you just met in a club has a deep voice and an Adams Apple. And hands bigger than yours! She may know how to please your cock, but she may also have a bigger cock than you!
5. If she's whining about buffing the bishop with her mouth, then you'll be better off by just going into the bathroom and jerking yourself off. Nothing kills the mood and a perfectly good erection than a girl who keeps whining about her sore jaw, the taste of precum or the scent of your musty nuts.
6. Never get a blowjob from an epileptic ***** in a night club. While it may be a thrill the get a blowjob in public, it'll be a major pain when she clamps down on your cock and foams at the mouth.
7. Never pick the hottest girl in the group if you are just seeking a blowjob. It's a FACT that the ugliest / fattest girls give the best blowjobs. If a knob slobbing is all you seek, do yourself a favor and pick the odd woman out!
8. Just because a couple fingers pop out of a hole in the mens bathroom doesn't mean that you should stick your cock through it. Especially if that hand has hairy knuckles and a wedding band! That is of course unless you don't mind a 45 year old married fat guy giving you a blowjob through a hole in the wall.
9. Just because the chick at the STD clinic is hot, doesn't mean that you can look past that open sore on her mouth. While she may look sexy when she's on her knees giving you a blowjob, she might not look so sexy when you wake up the next day to see what else she gave you!
10. While your best friend's mom may look fucking amazing, you may want to keep in mind that your best friend is an escaped convict who fled the joint after being charged for double homicide. Avoid blowjobs from your buddy's mom at all costs!
Member #4335
07-06-12, 09:10
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The purpose of this Forum is to provide for the exchange if information between men on the subject of finding women for sex.
I've been meaning to do this for a while but just now getting some free time, the list of numbers and people below is mostly men who have either stalked me, harassed me, stole from me or were just plain acting crazy and I suggest for all women to stay away for your safety.
The first 1 I'm putting up is for all you men who enjoy the hobby to stay away from these women, their pimp stated to me he has hiv, he is big light skinned and PSYCHOTIC! He does his girls then his girls. Well you know! The number is [Telephone Number deleted by Admin] as far as I know girls by the name of Ashley, London, Brittani, Tanya, Brooke, Alaya, ect now its Ashley & Sasha if you've seen any of these girls or I highly suggest you get yourself tested.
MEN:
[Telephone Number deleted by Admin] stole
267 591 8471 physco stole my pics and sold them to a website and continues to harrass me threaten my life email text call ect months later. His name is brian RUN if he calls you he come to cincy on business sometimes his other number is 267 325 4535.
[Telephone Number deleted by Admin] lame timewaster and broke.
[Telephone Number deleted by Admin] stood me up for outcall but continues to harrass me.
[Telephone Number deleted by Admin] major timewaster. I have more I will post later.
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Newbie 101
07-07-12, 12:10
I have nothing to do with this drama, but now we have providers posting phone numbers? Another good resaon to utilize burn phones in this hobby.
101
Newbie 101
07-11-12, 20:26
A few points to consider:
The post that referenced HIPPA regulations is correct. There is know way, unless you are in the medical field and decide to ignore HIPPA, you could know the test results for any procedure. Whether it is HIV, or EKG. It is protected by law.
The false sense of safety that a provider seems to get from "references" is exposed by the recent arrest of an advertiser on this site.
When you feel heated by an experience. Why not resist the urge to respond immediately, and bring your rant to this board. That just leaves the Review boards for a review. Just a thought.
There are Providers posting mongers phone numbers on this site, Mongers making silly HIV accusations, Providers putting mongers phone numbers on internet black lists, Monger hating mongers because they did not like a review, Providers hating mongers because of a good review of another Provider. Can't we all just get along? Just a thought.
All this drama continues to entertain me. That is why I continue to read. A special thank you to all the silly people.
I will not give a Provider's phone number, in the form of a reference, to another Provider. For her safety. I respect her privacy. Yet, I will pay for the time of a Provider I would like to see. For a meet and greet (no incall, no outcall. Just a coffee shop or a pub for a drink). If there is a mutual interest? Then, we can decide how to proceed. Just a thought.
So, that is my rant. The good news? Recently the monger and provider haters have left me alone! They are staying busy with other meat in the shark tank! LMAO.
101
I wanted to add my two cents to the conversation. Yes, most of the girls who are in the biz are drug addicts or have some other kind of addiction that needs feeding. In my travels I have met several girls who are total nymphos and do it because they enjoy the sex and have decided why not get paid for what I like to do. Others have fallen on hard times and turn to it as a way to get back on their feet. We take a gamble every time we go out to meet a new girl whether she is a junkie, a thief, uncle leo in disguise, or the girl of our mongering dreams. It sucks that we have to pay the price for people's poor life decisions just because we want a piece of ass without the commitment. Hell a regular of mine had the hell beat out of her a few days ago and she called me crying not knowing what to do and like a good guy I went and patched her up and made sure she was ok. We all take risks in this business just always remember if your spidey sense is tingling, Make A Run for it.
Cintixtreme
07-12-12, 09:04
J-Walking.
I read all of you posts, why would you ask such a question?
If the arrest has the potential to be leveraged against you and your fellow hobbyists.
Drug Dealers would give up their clients and suppliers, Thieves would give up their fences and clients, Victims of Assault have recourse in criminal and civil law against their attackers.
Whom, may I ask, would an admitted and overt Escort give up in order to reduce their punishment?
Care to ask your Question, again?
BrassMoved this discussion to a more appropriate forum given the amount of space it is taking.
I do appreciate that you took the time to perform due diligence on me by going back and reading all of my posts.
I would ask the question because it was a broad statement that required further definition, and because it would be an unrealistic and worthless approach because it would only ban the very few whose arrests were made public knowledge unless, of course, Jackson sets up a program requiring real names and periodic police background checks of all registered members.
Further, I was not being sarcastic at all. It was a legitimate question. Any provider facing a major charge that could result in jail time and removal from their children may very well be tempted to offer up a deal whereby the police can log a number of arrests of johns, especially in an election year, for reduced charges or a plea deal giving probation instead of jail time. So I would take the position that there are a number of arrests that have the potential to be leveraged against me or my fellow hobbyists.
In addition, drug USERS could be unstable, dangerous, or be known to police as providers (it's not like the police who monitor these boards can't see pictures and have a file, even if they haven't been able to set up an arrest) and turn over clients. Also, I would think it would be a lot safer to offer to roll on a bunch of middle-age out of shape white guys than on drug suppliers.
Providers with multiple arrests for theft are a risk to rob, steal, etc. From a client, with or without the potential for physical violence. Also, see drug USERS for possibility of using providing as a bargaining chip.
Providers with assault charges pose a risk of physical harm to clients. Clients with assault charges definitelyl pose a risk of physical harm to providers (let's be sure to keep the idea of protecting them in mind also) , and perhaps other clients when board disputes occur.
And since you brought it up, jaywalking, sometimes known as pedestrian violations, is often used as a way to pick up streetwalkers to check them for drugs or other "criminal tools" like condoms and pad their list of violations. So it could be an indication that a provider moonlites as a streetwalker, thereby putting clients at increased risks of STD's.
So, the question becomes where the line for banning would be drawn, which is a legitimate question. Would it be only to protect clients or providers from possible set up for arrest for activities relating to prostitution by assuming that only those arrested for those particular crimes have the ability to make plea deals by turning on their clients (which may or may not hold true) , or is it to protect members of the community from potentially dangerous or unsavory individuals (I believe we already ban those who have been proven to be dangerous to the community, as well as those proven to turn on their clients). Now I definitively know where you stand on the topic, but different people can and will have differing opinions once we start banning for arrests.
And please don't choose to state that I am just being argumentative for no reason, or pulling charges out of a hat. We all know that over the years a number of providers' actual names have been outed here and elsewhere, links to arrest records have been posted before being removed, back channel PM's outlining names and accusations, etc. I used those specific charges because I have seen each one attributed to at least one or another provider over the years, often times to providers who are board favorites who have seen many clients. We have seen providers state that they have names and numbers in their cell phones from years back or emails in their accounts from years back, including some board favorites. We have seen both providers and clients "lose their shit" and threaten exposure, outing, blacklisting and worse over the years.
The point is, the best you can do is to keep your personal information as secretive as possible. No real names, no work information, no personal information, burn phones bought and refilled with cash, trust your gut feelings, etc. Even then, you can't fully protect yourself, but you can minimize your risk. If you are targeted, they will likely get you. Banning Crissee isn't going to help. She was honest about what happened and will hopefully learn from the event. I don't agree with her philosophy that being arrested is inevitable and just part of the process, and I do think that providers can overexpose themselves and sometimes actually almost dare the police to come after them, like the AMP in Erlanger that got shut down. I would be more likely to avoid that type of situation than someone who was arrested once for a minor charge.
We all fuck up. We all deserve a second chance. Maybe not a third, fourth and fifth chance, but definitely a second.
Member #4733
07-12-12, 17:24
Moved this discussion to a more appropriate forum given the amount of space it is taking.
I do appreciate that you took the time to perform due diligence on me by going back and reading all of my posts.
I would ask the question because it was a broad statement that required further definition, and because it would be an unrealistic and worthless approach because it would only ban the very few whose arrests were made public knowledge unless, of course, Jackson sets up a program requiring real names and periodic police background checks of all registered members.
Further, I was not being sarcastic at all. It was a legitimate question. Any provider facing a major charge that could result in jail time and removal from their children may very well be tempted to offer up a deal whereby the police can log a number of arrests of johns, especially in an election year, for reduced charges or a plea deal giving probation instead of jail time. So I would take the position that there are a number of arrests that have the potential to be leveraged against me or my fellow hobbyists.
In addition, drug USERS could be unstable, dangerous, or be known to police as providers (it's not like the police who monitor these boards can't see pictures and have a file, even if they haven't been able to set up an arrest) and turn over clients. Also, I would think it would be a lot safer to offer to roll on a bunch of middle-age out of shape white guys than on drug suppliers.
Providers with multiple arrests for theft are a risk to rob, steal, etc. From a client, with or without the potential for physical violence. Also, see drug USERS for possibility of using providing as a bargaining chip.
Providers with assault charges pose a risk of physical harm to clients. Clients with assault charges definitelyl pose a risk of physical harm to providers (let's be sure to keep the idea of protecting them in mind also) , and perhaps other clients when board disputes occur.
And since you brought it up, jaywalking, sometimes known as pedestrian violations, is often used as a way to pick up streetwalkers to check them for drugs or other "criminal tools" like condoms and pad their list of violations. So it could be an indication that a provider moonlites as a streetwalker, thereby putting clients at increased risks of STD's.
So, the question becomes where the line for banning would be drawn, which is a legitimate question. Would it be only to protect clients or providers from possible set up for arrest for activities relating to prostitution by assuming that only those arrested for those particular crimes have the ability to make plea deals by turning on their clients (which may or may not hold true) , or is it to protect members of the community from potentially dangerous or unsavory individuals (I believe we already ban those who have been proven to be dangerous to the community, as well as those proven to turn on their clients). Now I definitively know where you stand on the topic, but different people can and will have differing opinions once we start banning for arrests.
And please don't choose to state that I am just being argumentative for no reason, or pulling charges out of a hat. We all know that over the years a number of providers' actual names have been outed here and elsewhere, links to arrest records have been posted before being removed, back channel PM's outlining names and accusations, etc. I used those specific charges because I have seen each one attributed to at least one or another provider over the years, often times to providers who are board favorites who have seen many clients. We have seen providers state that they have names and numbers in their cell phones from years back or emails in their accounts from years back, including some board favorites. We have seen both providers and clients "lose their shit" and threaten exposure, outing, blacklisting and worse over the years.
The point is, the best you can do is to keep your personal information as secretive as possible. No real names, no work information, no personal information, burn phones bought and refilled with cash, trust your gut feelings, etc. Even then, you can't fully protect yourself, but you can minimize your risk. If you are targeted, they will likely get you. Banning Crissee isn't going to help. She was honest about what happened and will hopefully learn from the event. I don't agree with her philosophy that being arrested is inevitable and just part of the process, and I do think that providers can overexpose themselves and sometimes actually almost dare the police to come after them, like the AMP in Erlanger that got shut down. I would be more likely to avoid that type of situation than someone who was arrested once for a minor charge.
We all fuck up. We all deserve a second chance. Maybe not a third, fourth and fifth chance, but definitely a second.Believe me, I agree with everything that you are saying.
There are situations, however, where playing the "Devil's Advocate" is an absolute necessity. Ruffling some feathers may open a few minds that otherwise would have remained ignorant and oblivious.
I am more than comfortable making every attempt, no matter the consequences, to protect the privacy and safety of fellow hobbyists.
Brass
OneOnlyStormy
07-14-12, 17:40
I wanted to add my two cents to the conversation. Yes, most of the girls who are in the biz are drug addicts or have some other kind of addiction that needs feeding. In my travels I have met several girls who are total nymphos and do it because they enjoy the sex and have decided why not get paid for what I like to do. Others have fallen on hard times and turn to it as a way to get back on their feet. We take a gamble every time we go out to meet a new girl whether she is a junkie, a thief, uncle leo in disguise, or the girl of our mongering dreams. It sucks that we have to pay the price for people's poor life decisions just because we want a piece of ass without the commitment. Hell a regular of mine had the hell beat out of her a few days ago and she called me crying not knowing what to do and like a good guy I went and patched her up and made sure she was ok. We all take risks in this business just always remember if your spidey sense is tingling, Make A Run for it.My addiction is being fed by MEN I have an addiction of men men men! I am drug free and must say I just enjoy this hobby and don't plan on stopping for a long time!
When we play though one thing we all have to remember what the King said if your spidey sense starts tingling Run as fast as you can!
Everyone play safe and think with the other head first!
Kisses,
Stormy
I wanted to add my two cents to the conversation. Yes, most of the girls who are in the biz are drug addicts or have some other kind of addiction that needs feeding. In my travels I have met several girls who are total nymphos and do it because they enjoy the sex and have decided why not get paid for what I like to do. Others have fallen on hard times and turn to it as a way to get back on their feet. We take a gamble every time we go out to meet a new girl whether she is a junkie, a thief, uncle leo in disguise, or the girl of our mongering dreams. It sucks that we have to pay the price for people's poor life decisions just because we want a piece of ass without the commitment. Hell a regular of mine had the hell beat out of her a few days ago and she called me crying not knowing what to do and like a good guy I went and patched her up and made sure she was ok. We all take risks in this business just always remember if your spidey sense is tingling, Make A Run for it.Thats why we need to help by sharing info on a constructive and adult level on the board, back to basics if you will. We need to weed out the bad apples and help support the quality providers that keep us all happy. LOL
Nice view into the hobby. Thanks
Opinion: It'd be a lot better if providers would show photos of them smiling. Not because I want to see them in a good mood (which is always helpful!) , but because I've had two encounters were the provider had brown and grey teeth and would like to avoid that in the future.
Upullandpay
07-17-12, 13:45
Lost my cell in Brookville Lake off of my pontoon boat along with all my contacts!
I hate starting over! My Rants & Rave is directed at me for not putting it up while on the boat!
MollyDaniels
07-17-12, 16:45
Lost my cell in Brookville Lake off of my pontoon boat along with all my contacts!
I hate starting over! My Rants & Rave is directed at me for not putting it up while on the boat!If you have a smart phone, you didn't lose your contacts. They are automatically stored in your email account.
Dilli Gara
07-18-12, 13:03
I guess you don't have to be smart to have a smart phone?
If you have a smart phone, you didn't lose your contacts. They are automatically stored in your email account.
Upullandpay
07-18-12, 14:38
I carry 2 phones! One for business witch is a I Phone and one that is just a phone for personnel use. The lesser phone is the one I lost.
JohnGalt10
07-20-12, 20:55
I am so pissed at myself for being played by a provider. Every time I fill up her Green Dot card she disappears and does not answer emails or phone. She is close to the girl who recently got busted for drugs. I now think as soon as she gets a pile of cash she stays high. I fear I am funding this. Little discrepancies in what she says. Red flags everywhere. Long rap sheet I recently discovered. Seen her 9 times in a row and have dropped close to 5 grand counting everything. No shows, walked in on twice, phone calls during sessions, drug buyers waiting for me to leave, pig sty, daughter told to go in room, friends showing up during session to help her move, insults, and very unpro. Why do I care about this girl? I have been taken to the cleaners.
Upullandpay
07-23-12, 14:41
I guess you don't have to be smart to have a smart phone?I read all your post and the majority of them are comments on other members post. No useful info!
This forum topic is Rant and Rave! Not Please provide useless comments on post made.
For you to try and slam me not knowing all the facts shows you inexperience here. You will learn more from this board if you provide a better post with more info on your experiences and not just comment on other members post.
Take this as a learning experience and not a slam back on you.
Alexandria513
07-24-12, 07:40
I wanted to add my two cents to the conversation. Yes, most of the girls who are in the biz are drug addicts or have some other kind of addiction that needs feeding. In my travels I have met several girls who are total nymphos and do it because they enjoy the sex and have decided why not get paid for what I like to do. Others have fallen on hard times and turn to it as a way to get back on their feet. We take a gamble every time we go out to meet a new girl whether she is a junkie, a thief, uncle leo in disguise, or the girl of our mongering dreams. It sucks that we have to pay the price for people's poor life decisions just because we want a piece of ass without the commitment. Hell a regular of mine had the hell beat out of her a few days ago and she called me crying not knowing what to do and like a good guy I went and patched her up and made sure she was ok. We all take risks in this business just always remember if your spidey sense is tingling, Make A Run for it.It is a business and I always treat it like one and remember you are the ones who keep me going.
Utr In Ohio
07-24-12, 10:16
I have pondered the changes and dramatics as of late and have a few comments to make. My intentions are not to start a fight or flame anyone. I just can't imagine the majority of you even know what's truely going on and I know providers don't want to call anyone out as they need the business / cash.
1.) I don't care if your a "agency" or "Independent" fan. The fact should be that we are here to share safe, useful information.
I see much more mis-information than I do credible intel. The invasion of newbie's and the ease of becomming a senior memeber has really made being a senior member no more credible than a first time cold caller. I know some of the seniors as they post almost daily and post reviews of providers they actually have seen! BUT so many are now seniors who only got there by waiting 6 months and posting absolute crap just to get posts up. A lot of these new seniors have never even participated or seen a provider. Just search their post you can clearly see a lot of their bs but none of their original intel.
2.) Senior status abuse. I know there are bad apples in every bunch but, most of you would be shocked and outraged if you knew how many "Seniors" use the status as a bargaining tool or leverage to get what they want.
Requet like: BBFS (there is one senior on here who contacts girls and explains that he is an older gentlemen so he must be disease free). I know of another that will offer multiple favorable reviews in exchange for extra time.
Is this the purpose of having senior status?
* For me this makes the term "senior" carry very little weight. It's like politics. Seniors vrs Newbies. You can't just pick a party you have to judge the memeber by their own history on the board.
3.) Uncle Leo: They are everywhere! BP, Indy, tbd, another site and yes. Right here in this forum! This is nothing new. When a professional Monger / hobbyist and seasoned provider or agency is involved the language of the arrangements are so discrete.
Lately, I get calls from "seniors" who have no idea what to say or not to say when booking. I can only guess this is due to the many seniors who play (on the board) but never take the plundge.
You want to stay safe. Stick to people you know and trust. Stop sharing strictly off status and be sure the senior you share with has credible post. My best advise is never pay or discuss with anyone in person, on phone or in pm's any money at all.
Read the rate on the ad and go with that. No cash / No Case!
4.) Speaking of Leo and safety. The amount of IV drug users offering services as escorts is alarming! Take just 20 minutes to pull the photo's of the girls ads on this board. I see the touch up work on wrists and arms. Can't you? I also have met 4 or 5 of the top advertisers here and have to say. If you don't see the tracks your either delusional or so greedy to save a buck that your health or safety are worth less than 10 to 50 bucks. Notice the girls who you see on here who get busted almost always have drug charges. Stop ignoring a major gap in security and safety. Let's clean up the hobby.
This is just my opinion and I am sure most here will only flame me for trying to ad some good advise.
B
I get regular coitus at home (which is very good and fine) , but no oral. The sentiments expressed here are as important to me as to him, even more as swallowing means much more to me (I am obviously not as evolved as him). Blame it on an old girlfriend who loved the whole act and spoiled me. My difference is that I am early in the game. Paige the short, small brunette that had one post back in Jan / Feb. And I visited once was incredible. I just could not go back to her Reading and insane hotel conditions. I went to the famed slutty pie (formerly of Louisville, now in Indy) and she was very good, but Paige was better. It is terrible, I went to Cinnamon (now gone) , and she had a tongue ring and I enjoyed it, her effort was ok to good but not to Paige level (plus she did not complete the act). I had the redhead Chrystal because she would complete the act, but she wasn't to Paige level. If you have one, please share with me, as it is tough. After a hiatus I am sched. With another provider tomorrow and will write a report.
Wish me luck.
Different guys define GFE as differently, but most pretty much agree that a GFE usually involves the illusion of passion, especially during the BJ, and for me that means sans the latex. Keep in mind there are some folks in the hobby that think ANY uncovered activity is insane. I used to be one of them, but I could not lie to myself once I knew the truth that oral sex was not Russian Roulette after all, uncovered blow jobs are frickin' awesome.
Let me whisper a little secret I have learned about humans in general:
Just like there are some guys that love DATY (I mean they like the smell, taste, and texture and get off on the power rush they get from pushing all the right buttons and levers) and some guys can't stand it? Well, there are women out there that love to give blowjobs. Some of them have learned to make money off of the thing they love to do.
Right about now several providers will chime in and post that they love to give head. If you still believe every post you read, go ahead and just take their word on it. However once you find a gal that genuinely connects with you and actually loves to give oral sex, and you will get a second job to keep those BBBJNQNS coming every few days.
Just like most women can tell the difference when a guy likes to savor their pussy, and others are merely doing what is expected of them, the intuitive male will pick up on whether the passion was an act that was paid for or if it is genuine. Ladies, please do everyone a favor and don't post how much you like giving blow jobs unless it really is true. Some of us consider that a very important part of the GFE.
Yes, there is always the big fat YMMV elephant in the room, but even though it might just be personal energy, or synergy at least, that is shared you can still sense if somebody is having a good time, and sorry but I come down on the side of the GFE aficionados and that is a good GFE involves a great blow job that literally shows a guy you whistle while you work. If you don't care what the woman thinks and believe all blow jobs are the same, you probably quit reading this a paragraph or two ago, so make fun of me and go waste your money on addicts, actresses and grifters.
For those of you that are still reading, here come the apples of gold. I share them with you freely because mongers older and wiser than me took the time and energy to share them with me when I was but a hobby padawan.
There are many reasons a lady might not like oral sex. If it is merely taste and odor, then that is the man's fault. Some wise choices in personal hygiene, grooming, and diet can make your member more inviting and if the lady suggests that your spunk is junk, change your diet and quit smoking, if you even care what they are thinking when they are performing. Cranberry, pineapple, and kiwi have all been medically proven to contain the crucial enzymes and proteins that make for better quality and quantity in the semen factory you think of as your balls.
If the aversion is texture, get over the CIM drive and learn some control or cues from your partner and your will find yourself getting better blowjobs once she relaxes and trusts that you won't splash it anywhere she doesn't want it.
If you are shaking your head, just put yourself in their place for a moment. If you weren't big fan of DATY to begin with, can you imagine your shock if you were with a more orgasmic woman that squirted all in your mouth and all over your face as you did your duty. If that image just caused a gag reflex in your mouth, now you can at least commiserate with the reluctant blowjob.
Some of you just got an erection at the idea of a women squirting while you play with them. First, no the porn you may have come across was not some gag, gimmick, or special effect. All women are anatomically capable of squirting during an orgasm. Not all women choose to do it, or know they can do it. For many the sensation is too much like urination and they tense up and internalize the orgasm out of discomfort or embarrassment—remember since the sensation is similar to a woman, you might be fighting years of potty-training and social norms. No the female ejaculate is not urine. It is actually mostly sucrose and water secreted through the urea hence the reason it feels the same way to a woman. If you want to learn more about how to do this with the lady of your choice you can do a quick search on Google. Don't waste your money though. There are folks out there that will want to sell you a system or video presentation for forty bucks or more. PM me before you click the 'add to cart' button. I can put you in touch with a guy that will sell you the same video for four bucks, for that matter he can get you other porn that isn't so instructional as well, but I digress.
My point here is that just like you get extra horny when a provider has gone to the trouble to be fresh, clean, and as attractive as they can make themselves, they are humans too and the more you give the more you get, and I am not just talking about money.
And for you goofs that are going to itching to post a reply of: 'I pay them to so I don't care what they think, then you have not met a provider that happens to be a woman that loves to give head and likes you enough to be herself as she gobbles your pole. That passion can't be faked.
Sadly, I didn't find this out until I was hobbying-for a long while. Keep in mind I had my first 'dream' right in the middle of the nightmare of AIDS in the early eighties, when people wondered if it was even safe to kiss deeply.
My experiences with civilian BJ's were less than stellar, most likely because they were always covered, even as a teen at the drive-in, you knew you better bring a condom if you wanted to reach third base with the epidemic dominating the headlines. Then later the one uncovered blow job blow job I got from a girlfriend was all teeth and no spit. Then later even my wife at the time, made me cover up for oral sex and admitted after a few months that she HATED the very thought of oral sex.
I sort of figured that all women were really like that-until I splurged one day as a young man and went with professional talent when on a business trip in a city that pretty much winks at everything our city blushes at. I couldn't resist, there were handbills all over the lobby and even in the room that advertised a variety of exotic things I didn't even know about. Because I was born and raised in Porkopolis.
Now, sure I was wet behind the ears and got wrapped up in the illusion of the passion and quickly forgot the price I paid for it, but this was my first experience with a woman that ever approached anything like I saw in porn. I looked down and started doing baseball stats in my head just to make it last longer. I remember looking down as she devoured me and thought: "this woman thinks my dick tastes like chocolate!"
I came a few strokes later and it was a CBJ!
I had an epiphany-forget civilian sex, when you pay for it you ALWAYS get a woman that loves to do this, that's why she is doing it, right? I even got in the habit of even being a nice guy and started buying flavored condoms just for the oral sex. Like I said, wet behind the ears.
Of course, I found myself chasing the dragon. Pretty soon even great blowjobs did little to make me cum. I just chalked it up to me getting older and being a bit more in control, or maybe the talent just wasn't what it used to be. Maybe it was just the novelty of passion, even if it was an illusion I paid for. In reality it was the lack of cover, but I would ran the other direction at the thought of being with somebody you didn't 'love' and being uncovered. I would run twice as fast, if it were a professional back then. Some of you don't remember the covers of Time magazine scaring the hell out of you.
By the way, I would later discover something about those flavored condoms: they are slightly smaller than the regular ones. I don't know if that is intent on the design, or if it is the nature of the flavoring and coloring process, but either way if you are a guy of girth like me, you need a Magnum anyway, putting on one of those flavored condoms could restrict your orgasm. Either way I soon discovered when I didn't have a bright orange tourniquet around my cock, I could actually cum much easier. I can only imagine what orange flavored rubber must taste like anyway.
I didn't learn that little trick until the internet came and some provider shared that info in a post a decade ago. She actually uploaded the photo proof with a ruler and shared her thoughts on flavored vs. Unflavored condoms. Speaking of the internet, you younger folks have no idea how blessed you are. Some of us have been mongering since a Commodore 64 was a fast and expensive personal computer. Some of us can even remember the Radio Shack Trash 80 that came with a cassette tape, and some of us even remember using slotted data punch cards.
Any way, when you used to have to trust a buddy or fellow monger you met at a club for info, or trust the Yellow Pages (If you didn't understand my Commodore 64 metaphor, you probably didn't know hotel rooms used to come standard with this really big book in every room that you had to actually page through to find the location and phone number of a given service or product you wanted, and I am not talking about the one the Gideons put there) or the given city's alternative community paper you could find at most clubs and you literally opened the newsprint up. Turned to the back page (yep, that is where the name of the electronic source many use came from) and read the adult classified section and tried to read between the lines and hope you didn't get cash and dashed, mugged, raped, or had the lovely surprise of a tranny-goat knocking on your hotel door.
The internet changed mongering forever. Pretty soon we were exchanging information and learning about the hobby in a whole new way. When you added instant information and research to the mix, you have a beautiful thing in the pay to play world.
Soon I was reading about this thing they called GFE and there were many heated exchanges over the whole CBJ vs BBBJ and even more initials like CIM or COF or COB, NQNS added to the acronym we used to just know as a plain old BJ.
It took me a while to get the hang of the lingo and how do figure out if a lady was into the same things you were into. My first experience with a BBBJCINQNS was my first professional uncovered blowjob. I think I came in less than a minute. It only happened because the provider I was seeing fairly regularly became comfortable enough with me to ask,"do you mind if we go without the rubber" as I dutifully reached over for the little foil square on the nightstand when things went from frisky to heated,"I'm not really a fan of cherry flavored rubber."
Believe it or not I actually paused and thought about it.
She didn't give me much time to think about it and went right at it. It was incredible. I never felt anything like this wonderful sensation in my life. Then I looked down and the visual of her happily gobbling my cock caused me to surge and I curled my toes and fingers and fought back the urge to cum and worried about the whole CIM thing I had read about.
Should I warn her? Does she know I am ready to cum? Should I just let her go, should I pull out and shoot it someplace other than her mouth. I reached down and lifted her chin. She pulled off and said, 'you've never cum before during a REAL blowjob, have you? '
I grinned sheepishly at her and she returned my look with evil, impish grin.
"Get ready for the ride of your life," she whispered in a husky voice and then she really went to town. I wanted it to last forever, but it was more like forty seconds and I exploded and when I reached down instinctively, she pushed my hands away, deep-throated me and swallowed every drop.
I was hooked.
Little did I know that she was actually the reigning queen of blowjobs in Ohio. If anyone remembers the parties that Always Amy used to throw around Halloween, she was the gal that had the five minute guarantee: "If she could make you cum in five minutes or less, you had to pay her charity $50, which was a pretty good sum back in the day. I think she earned the charity a few thousand dollars during the weekend party; I don't think anyone got a free blowjob from her that weekend.
That was a long time ago. Since then providers have come and gone. Many of them were very talented and it was sad to see them leave, others well to quote a wiser monger here: "well, goodbye and good luck working at Taco Bell."
Keep in mind, there is a great deal of width between the provider that is your ATF and the one that should go back to Taco Bell. My ATFs tend to be oral people, like me. Some people are wired differently. Some actually enjoy oral sex more than regular sex. I have come to respect folks that view this matter from a different vantage than where I am at this moment.
If a lady asks for a cover during oral sex, I will comply without a word of complaint, but it does go into any review I would write, and I won't re-book. BBBJ's are that important to me. I have no problem with tolerating other positions on this issue. In fact, there was great provider that just retired this year that I frequented often. She is from northern Ohio and was known for great blowjobs, so I booked with her. I soon learned why she traveled around the state and always had a full dance card when visiting if you didn't act quick: she gave an awesome blowjob. I booked with her regularly and even drove to the other cities when possible just for that awesome blowjob. The more I saw her, the more I got know her. I started noticing a pattern that she often would excuse herself during oral sex if I came. I finally asked her about it and she confided in me that she loved giving head, but hated the texture of cum. She only did CIM because of the all-important dollar.
Folks, that gave me great pause.
As some of you know it is possible to forge a type of friendship with some of these ladies and when she confided in me, I had a whole new respect for others. This poor girl was often just holding the cum under her tongue until she could sneak away to spit or hide her face as she grimaced and swallowed. To be honest, I would never have noticed her discomfort if I wasn't seeing her several times a month (I had a lot more disposable income back then). I told her that was the last time I would ever cum during oral sex with her. She feared that meant I wasn't booking anymore, but I assured her by paying her in advance (something I never do) for a session the next day and would bring some porn videos with me so we could try to emulate what was done in the videos. That was when we discovered the joys of COF and COB. She was great at giving head. She was so good at it that I went from being a one-shot-on-goal-and-then-I-need-a-nap-and-sandwich kind of guy, to learning the wonderment of multiple shots on goal with her for my first time in my history. As I have noted, I have difficulty cumming, but once I do, I am usually done, but Jenna tutored me in many ways.
She became even better once she started to learn to recognize the cues that a guy was going to cum and could seamlessly let him ejaculate with little or none of it getting past her lips. We had a load of fun (pun intended) practicing our timing. The first few times we missed the beat and told her just to let it fall back out of her mouth. By Jove, I think we discovered something. If you think it is a visual turn-on to watch the moneyshot in porn, just imagine that video being real. Maybe I am weird, but the visual cue of her gobbling me right up until I orgasmed and then pumping my cock with her hands and spraying it everywhere really turned me on. I might like cumming, outside better than inside anyway. She was certainly happier and her blowjobs were already great, once she could relax and feel in control, they became legendary.
Jenna and I started seeing less of each other, as often happens with ATFs just for our own safety and sanity. So I was back out on the market and looking for a new gal that could ring my bell.
Soon I learned to be comfortable with either CIM or COB. If the lady is relaxed it will be better, so if you become a bit more fluid in your hobby boundaries, you might just catch lightning in the bottle for yourself. There were many providers they came and went that had similar stories and skills and learning curves.
Then came Columbus Nicole. If you are still reading this and knew her, there is nothing I need to say. That was the last provider that could pretty much dominate me orally anytime she wanted to, regardless of every tantric breathing trick I tried. I doubt I was the only one that she had that power with. That lady, honest as the day is long, simply loved to suck cock, and she would say it that way. Sadly she moved several states away.
So there is my opus on the GFE and why BBBJ is essential and CIM is a bonus.
Not all agree and that is fine. For me the BBBJ is as important as the money is to most gals. By the way, you do know that some of these ldies are leading second lives just like we are? Some of them got into the hobby by accident. They started as just swingers or maybe looking to connect on an adult side, but then they learn they are pretty damn good at this and they can get paid, and pretty soon you have your Uberwhore. That is a compliment, for those that miss my point. If you are lucky enough your uberwhore, cling to her, she is rare.
This shit of searching for the right gal all over again is worse then dating again, because you. Wait a minute you pay for it one way or another, nevermind.
Maybe I am weird, but I was so desperate I promised a provider I confided in of my current struggle and we arranged a deal that if she could manage to get me to CIM, I would pay her double. She put out a very earnest effort, but still no bang. She worked the way beyond the session, and still no joy in Muddville, I felt so bad, I gave her the bonus anyway. So come early March, when I recharge my hobby funds, I might wait and save up so I can go and see a sure bet.
I've been told that our local porn star, Sydney Thomas, is the woman to call, but I had an allergic reaction to her rates. That would be more than double that bonus I had offered to the lady I was pretty sure could get the job done. So what is a poor guy to do? Pay the premium for the supposed 'sure thing' or keep stumbling around looking for my next ATF. It wouldn't be my first porn star, but I am not sure four videos on Reality Kings makes you a star of enough quality to charge those rates. Now if it were Deidre Holland, I would take out a reverse mortgage. For some of you that is real blast from the past.
Delicious Dawn
07-25-12, 12:57
I totally agree with everything stated here. I couldn't have said any of it better.
All the best,
Dawn.
I have pondered the changes and dramatics as of late and have a few comments to make. My intentions are not to start a fight or flame anyone. I just can't imagine the majority of you even know what's truely going on and I know providers don't want to call anyone out as they need the business / cash.
1.) I don't care if your a "agency" or "Independent" fan. The fact should be that we are here to share safe, useful information.
I see much more mis-information than I do credible intel. The invasion of newbie's and the ease of becomming a senior memeber has really made being a senior member no more credible than a first time cold caller. I know some of the seniors as they post almost daily and post reviews of providers they actually have seen! BUT so many are now seniors who only got there by waiting 6 months and posting absolute crap just to get posts up. A lot of these new seniors have never even participated or seen a provider. Just search their post you can clearly see a lot of their bs but none of their original intel.
2.) Senior status abuse. I know there are bad apples in every bunch but, most of you would be shocked and outraged if you knew how many "Seniors" use the status as a bargaining tool or leverage to get what they want.
Requet like: BBFS (there is one senior on here who contacts girls and explains that he is an older gentlemen so he must be disease free). I know of another that will offer multiple favorable reviews in exchange for extra time.
Is this the purpose of having senior status?
* For me this makes the term "senior" carry very little weight. It's like politics. Seniors vrs Newbies. You can't just pick a party you have to judge the memeber by their own history on the board.
3.) Uncle Leo: They are everywhere! BP, Indy, tbd, another site and yes. Right here in this forum! This is nothing new. When a professional Monger / hobbyist and seasoned provider or agency is involved the language of the arrangements are so discrete.
Lately, I get calls from "seniors" who have no idea what to say or not to say when booking. I can only guess this is due to the many seniors who play (on the board) but never take the plundge.
You want to stay safe. Stick to people you know and trust. Stop sharing strictly off status and be sure the senior you share with has credible post. My best advise is never pay or discuss with anyone in person, on phone or in pm's any money at all.
Read the rate on the ad and go with that. No cash / No Case!
4.) Speaking of Leo and safety. The amount of IV drug users offering services as escorts is alarming! Take just 20 minutes to pull the photo's of the girls ads on this board. I see the touch up work on wrists and arms. Can't you? I also have met 4 or 5 of the top advertisers here and have to say. If you don't see the tracks your either delusional or so greedy to save a buck that your health or safety are worth less than 10 to 50 bucks. Notice the girls who you see on here who get busted almost always have drug charges. Stop ignoring a major gap in security and safety. Let's clean up the hobby.
This is just my opinion and I am sure most here will only flame me for trying to ad some good advise.
B
I second Dawn on this. Excellent post. You definitely won't garner any flames from me. I too, could not have said it better.
JRW1.
I have pondered the changes and dramatics as of late and have a few comments to make. My intentions are not to start a fight or flame anyone. I just can't imagine the majority of you even know what's truely going on and I know providers don't want to call anyone out as they need the business / cash.
1.) I don't care if your a "agency" or "Independent" fan. The fact should be that we are here to share safe, useful information.
I see much more mis-information than I do credible intel. The invasion of newbie's and the ease of becomming a senior memeber has really made being a senior member no more credible than a first time cold caller. I know some of the seniors as they post almost daily and post reviews of providers they actually have seen! BUT so many are now seniors who only got there by waiting 6 months and posting absolute crap just to get posts up. A lot of these new seniors have never even participated or seen a provider. Just search their post you can clearly see a lot of their bs but none of their original intel.
2.) Senior status abuse. I know there are bad apples in every bunch but, most of you would be shocked and outraged if you knew how many "Seniors" use the status as a bargaining tool or leverage to get what they want.
Requet like: BBFS (there is one senior on here who contacts girls and explains that he is an older gentlemen so he must be disease free). I know of another that will offer multiple favorable reviews in exchange for extra time.
Is this the purpose of having senior status?
* For me this makes the term "senior" carry very little weight. It's like politics. Seniors vrs Newbies. You can't just pick a party you have to judge the memeber by their own history on the board.
3.) Uncle Leo: They are everywhere! BP, Indy, tbd, another site and yes. Right here in this forum! This is nothing new. When a professional Monger / hobbyist and seasoned provider or agency is involved the language of the arrangements are so discrete.
Lately, I get calls from "seniors" who have no idea what to say or not to say when booking. I can only guess this is due to the many seniors who play (on the board) but never take the plundge.
You want to stay safe. Stick to people you know and trust. Stop sharing strictly off status and be sure the senior you share with has credible post. My best advise is never pay or discuss with anyone in person, on phone or in pm's any money at all.
Read the rate on the ad and go with that. No cash / No Case!
4.) Speaking of Leo and safety. The amount of IV drug users offering services as escorts is alarming! Take just 20 minutes to pull the photo's of the girls ads on this board. I see the touch up work on wrists and arms. Can't you? I also have met 4 or 5 of the top advertisers here and have to say. If you don't see the tracks your either delusional or so greedy to save a buck that your health or safety are worth less than 10 to 50 bucks. Notice the girls who you see on here who get busted almost always have drug charges. Stop ignoring a major gap in security and safety. Let's clean up the hobby.
This is just my opinion and I am sure most here will only flame me for trying to ad some good advise.
B
It appears the "rant & rave" board now houses the compliments, while the flames grow higher on the other boards? What's up with that?
Pleasant Dreams!
69
Compliments probably count as "raves". LOL.
Unfortunately, it always seems like the drama stays in the thread in which it starts. Even if someone tries to move it here. I think that is because it is so easy to just "reply with quote" in line in the thread. That way your "drama" doesn't get lost or ignored by moving to the "Rants and Raves" thread. Just my thoughts on the matter.
I personally like this thread and sometimes it gets used as it should.
JRW1.
It appears the "rant & rave" board now houses the compliments, while the flames grow higher on the other boards? What's up with that?
Pleasant Dreams!
69
Utr In Ohio
08-01-12, 10:26
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Newbie 101
08-01-12, 22:11
I read through the "classified section" and was amazed to see a couple pics of a doggie game being played. The worse part? She is asking $$/hr? Are we really paying $$/hr for that? Oh My! I know we all have our visual preferences. And, I respect each to their own, as they say. But, really?
I prefer a lady to keep some surprises for me visually. Not post someone elses fun. But, hey! That is just me. To each his own. But, one man's opinion? There is no way I would shell out $$ for that type of game.
Just saying.
101
Newbie 101
08-04-12, 05:42
I did not mention your name in my post because you said Jackson was going to delete the referenced post. Now you tagged your name to my comments. Silly girl.
At least I brought my thoughts to the rants board. And, I will continue to share my views and read those of other members I respect. So, maybe you should be the one to "get over it". Considering we have never met (nor, will we ever meet) you have NO idea what I pay for. You mention "class"? Sorry sweetie. Those pics are miles away from showing class.
All that really matters? That you and your client are smiling at the end of the session.
101.
I am normally a very laid back and calm person, as any of my regulars would tell you, but what is the point to continually badger me about these pics? And just because you didn't come right out and say it, you still hinted at what it was. I understand these are your opinions, and that's all well and good, but enough is enough. You all have made your point, I have gotten texts and emails saying they are great pics, and to hell with what others say, and even some new appts because of it. The surrogate wanted me to post these pics because it made him feel better. I have since asked Jackson to remove them.
This site has so much drama on it lately, and I don't get it when we are supposed to be enjoying the hobby, not wanting to pull our hair out because of the constant nonsense. And you wouldn't shell out $$ for what? Seeing some action pictures? Those pics IMHO look a lot better than some of the things you DO pay for. Just saying.
I am very good at what I do, have not had one bad review and don't think I ever will, but so some explicit pics were put up. Get over it, and start enjoying yourself and the hobby and stop with all the constant nagging. It's just sex.
Yes I have apologized diplomatically and feel I have a lot of class, and have responded in a mature way. Just my opinion though.
Be Safe.
Ally
Newbie 101
08-04-12, 13:42
Another provider pic that amazes me! While I must admit, I did enjoy the view (hats off to the photographer!). There is a framed photo on the wall that has "I might have some explaining to do at some point in the future" written all over it!
Again, to each his / her own, I guess. But, a pic like that could cause "issues" for the client, at some point. IMHO.
Yet, I will say, again. Nice view! .
101
GiddyUp Go
08-04-12, 22:47
OK, Molly, I'll bite, I'll take you up on your offer to comment in rants, raves and opinions.
If I were you or anyone else who posts pics, I would refrain from posting pics like this. I mean, just because we're mongers we aren't all perverts. Granted we're all here for the same p4p action, but most people that post here, providers and hobbyists alike, expect at least a little decorum. We like all kinds of providers, and all kinds of entertainment to be sure, but I would say that most providers and hobbyists prefer "sexy" to "raw." Not 100, but close to it. IMHO. Better porn on porn sites. I swear, my dear, this pic looks more like you're trying to stick a brat up your snatch than a man. Raw but not sexy. And besides, if you really want to be naughty, try sticking it up the other half-gaping open orifice you so proudly show off.
You are a fine fuck, no question, but you might rachet it down a notch, at least on this site.
MollyDaniels
08-05-12, 10:29
Say what you want-it doesn't bother me. I am one of the sexiest girls on this site, and my pics prove it, unless of course, you have had the pleasure of seeing me in person, which then you know that I look way better in person than any $5000 camera's pictures.
Fortunately, I don't have to use photoshop to hide my track marks, stretch marks, cellulite, and any other type of nastiness. Anyway, most of the pics I posted today are from camera phones, and not professional pictures. I posted them just to get a reaction anyway-thanks for biting!
At least I'm proud of my perfect body, and it does do me good.
Bye Bye for now, boys, and I will let you finish your high school squabbling and dreaming about girls that you can only get if you have to pay them for it (even though from the looks of some of the women on here, maybe you should be paying them for it!)
Kisses,
Molly
I am normally a very laid back and calm person, as any of my regulars would tell you, but what is the point to continually badger me about these pics? And just because you didn't come right out and say it, you still hinted at what it was. I understand these are your opinions, and that's all well and good, but enough is enough. You all have made your point, I have gotten texts and emails saying they are great pics, and to hell with what others say, and even some new appts because of it. The surrogate wanted me to post these pics because it made him feel better. I have since asked Jackson to remove them.
This site has so much drama on it lately, and I don't get it when we are supposed to be enjoying the hobby, not wanting to pull our hair out because of the constant nonsense. And you wouldn't shell out $$ for what? Seeing some action pictures? Those pics IMHO look a lot better than some of the things you DO pay for. Just saying.
I am very good at what I do, have not had one bad review and don't think I ever will, but so some explicit pics were put up. Get over it, and start enjoying yourself and the hobby and stop with all the constant nagging. It's just sex.
Yes I have apologized diplomatically and feel I have a lot of class, and have responded in a mature way. Just my opinion though.
Be Safe.
AllyAlly,
I'm not in your neck of the woods nor am I an active monger anymore but I am a photographer who occasional uses these pages to find subjects. This sort of bitching about photos comes up every so often, I am not really sure why, maybe jealousy or some sort of false modesty by the accusers. Many mongers who post photos and some girls have been run off by these folks. What, they are bothered by seeing a man and a woman engaged in sexual activity? What do they expect? Are they engaging the ladies so that they can play tiddly winks? If they don't want to see your photos they don't have to look.
You are a beautiful girl, if you are ever in my neck of the woods or I in yours I would love to photograph you. Don't let these folks run you down run you off.
Say what you want-it doesn't bother me. I am one of the sexiest girls on this site, and my pics prove it, unless of course, you have had the pleasure of seeing me in person, which then you know that I look way better in person than any $5000 camera's pictures.
Fortunately, I don't have to use photoshop to hide my track marks, stretch marks, cellulite, and any other type of nastiness. Anyway, most of the pics I posted today are from camera phones, and not professional pictures. I posted them just to get a reaction anyway-thanks for biting!
At least I'm proud of my perfect body, and it does do me good.
Bye Bye for now, boys, and I will let you finish your high school squabbling and dreaming about girls that you can only get if you have to pay them for it (even though from the looks of some of the women on here, maybe you should be paying them for it!)
Kisses,
MollyMolly,
You are a beautiful woman, were I in your area I would love to photograph you. Your pictures are a wonderful representation of you, don't let the haters keep you from posting. If they hate them they don't have to look at them. Maybe they would feel more comfortable looking at women in birkas.
I am glad that at least this is in the Rants and Raves thread. *shaking my head*
Why should she refrain from posting pics like the one you to which you refer? As long as they are not breaking any forum guidelines by posting them, at least. If you don't like it, you don't have to look at it. I know Molly posted her picture to get a reaction and she has, obviously. Admittedly this is not a "porn site," but what does it matter if Molly or Ally (or anyone else) posts pictures like that, really? This is a "sex site". The Client is not readily identifiable in any of the pics and has agreed to have the pictures posted. It's not hurting anyone.
"providers and hobbyists expect at least a little decorum" and "most providers and hobbyists prefer 'sexy' to 'raw'" You are all on a site entitled "USA Sex Guide" after all. What are you really expecting here? I doubt that many of the hobbyists pay the provider to just "sit around" and look sexy. I'm willing to bet that what they do is pretty "raw" and that they see things like what is depicted in the photos all the time. So, what is the difference if it is shown or described here?
Let's be honest, you're not fooling anyone when you sidestep and slant talk about what this site is about. It doesn't matter if you describe what happens in acronyms (e.g. DFK, FS, BBBJCIM, P4P) or are explicit or don't even mention anything at all. You, me, other hobbyists, providers, LE -- ALL know exactly what is going on here. Don't think that you are fooling anyone. What you write here cannot be used against you. It was not written "under oath" or with any implicit admission that it was real or even the truth. It cannot be used as an admission of guilt.
You "object" to porn, but yet you pay to have sex with women? Very odd. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, I suppose.
I do have to say that my idea of "decorum" is not suggesting that Molly is "trying to stick a brat up [her] snatch" or suggesting that she, "try sticking it up the other half-gaping open orifice [she] so proudly show off." Just because it was your written description and not in a vivid, color photograph doesn't mean that showed the decorum that you profess that you want on USASG.
Ally and Molly, you are both sexy ladies. Don't worry yourselves over all of this crap. Some members on this board live to cause drama and create issues. I love the pictures, personally. They look great. All of them.
JRW1
OK, Molly, I'll bite, I'll take you up on your offer to comment in rants, raves and opinions.
If I were you or anyone else who posts pics, I would refrain from posting pics like this. I mean, just because we're mongers we aren't all perverts. Granted we're all here for the same p4p action, but most people that post here, providers and hobbyists alike, expect at least a little decorum. We like all kinds of providers, and all kinds of entertainment to be sure, but I would say that most providers and hobbyists prefer "sexy" to "raw." Not 100, but close to it. IMHO. Better porn on porn sites. I swear, my dear, this pic looks more like you're trying to stick a brat up your snatch than a man. Raw but not sexy. And besides, if you really want to be naughty, try sticking it up the other half-gaping open orifice you so proudly show off.
You are a fine fuck, no question, but you might rachet it down a notch, at least on this site.
Caligulaxxx
08-06-12, 11:34
Class, People are either born with it or they are not. College or collage does not earn it. Being born into money does not mean you have it an likewise being born without money does not mean you do not have it.
There is a difference between sexy and raw as mentioned. If I'm balls deep into you then seeing some of what you show is proper but right now on a public forum not really what people want to see to get in the mood. Some leg or something sultry works wonders.
Showing your asshole on a public site regardless of the site being a sex site prooves you do not have it. Sorry but molly I have seen you several times an there are various other reason why you leave me feeling like you do not have it, things you have said in private an such. Bash me to make yourself feel better cause I know you will but it will not make you feel better.
I'm with others about this an I try to stay out of dumb shit on here but I am putting my hand up on this one if for no other reason than to get an earful of defence when there is none.
While I am waiting on a reply I will go take a photo of my asshole to post so you get my point.
GiddyUp Go
08-06-12, 12:42
Dead on Mr. Caligulaxxx. Just like you I await our college girl's bashing, and just like you I have seen her up close and personal. She is a fine fuck like I said but that is about all. Maybe her asshole is all she has going for her, so I'll lay off. But Molly, dear, I wouldn't brag too much about not having "track marks, stretch marks, cellulite and any other type of nastiness"; vodka is a great accelerator and I expect it's only a matter of time. And why bash other women on on here?
Class, People are either born with it or they are not. College or collage does not earn it. Being born into money does not mean you have it an likewise being born without money does not mean you do not have it.
There is a difference between sexy and raw as mentioned. If I'm balls deep into you then seeing some of what you show is proper but right now on a public forum not really what people want to see to get in the mood. Some leg or something sultry works wonders.
Showing your asshole on a public site regardless of the site being a sex site prooves you do not have it. Sorry but molly I have seen you several times an there are various other reason why you leave me feeling like you do not have it, things you have said in private an such. Bash me to make yourself feel better cause I know you will but it will not make you feel better.
I'm with others about this an I try to stay out of dumb shit on here but I am putting my hand up on this one if for no other reason than to get an earful of defence when there is none.
While I am waiting on a reply I will go take a photo of my asshole to post so you get my point.
MollyDaniels
08-06-12, 13:04
Why amazes me the most is that I have posted each and every one of those exact same pictures on this site before, but there was never any issue about it until now.
That's cool.
What everyone doesn't realize is that I just posted the nasty pictures to get a reaction, and I have. It definitely weeds out who is open about sexuality and who isn't.
Fine, don't see me anymore, it's not going to break my heart or stop me from posting on this site.
At least when I do post classy pics, they are not of me taken with a cell phone camera on a roach-motel bed.
Just don't look at the pics, and move on to the next revolving hole.
It's quite funny that you say no one wants to see my asshole, yet everyone wants to stick their cock in there.
So go ahead a post a pic of yours. We can have a contest to see who asshole is sexier.
Tata for now-I'm off for a relaxing vacation on the white sand beaches of Florida.
Kisses,
Molly Mae.
PS: I have just locked the girl-on-girl videos on my website-they may just be a little too inappropriate for you.
Class, People are either born with it or they are not. College or collage does not earn it. Being born into money does not mean you have it an likewise being born without money does not mean you do not have it.
There is a difference between sexy and raw as mentioned. If I'm balls deep into you then seeing some of what you show is proper but right now on a public forum not really what people want to see to get in the mood. Some leg or something sultry works wonders.
Showing your asshole on a public site regardless of the site being a sex site prooves you do not have it. Sorry but molly I have seen you several times an there are various other reason why you leave me feeling like you do not have it, things you have said in private an such. Bash me to make yourself feel better cause I know you will but it will not make you feel better.
I'm with others about this an I try to stay out of dumb shit on here but I am putting my hand up on this one if for no other reason than to get an earful of defence when there is none.
While I am waiting on a reply I will go take a photo of my asshole to post so you get my point.I've been following this conversation wondering is this her dad or boyfriend. But now I get it you really want to post a pic of your asshole shame on you CALI.
Newbie 101
08-06-12, 18:24
All that matters is that you and your client have a smile at the end of the session. End of game.
Yet, you live in la-la land. Really. You do.
The reality? As long as a monger has a wallet with play money in it. There will be a younger replacement for you. Don't you realize that? A longer career can be made by a woman with style and class. 60 can be sexy. 20 can be ugly. It is your choice, and it appears you have made that choice.
For now you are doing well. Let's see in 5 years. Oh I forgot you have a bunch of degrees. And, a potential employer will have already seen your pics. Just being real.
The purpose of this post is to allow other new providers make better choices. Molly, I wish you well, I really do! And, for now? I will admit. You show I hot visual. Time will tell about the rest of your journey.
101.
Why amazes me the most is that I have posted each and every one of those exact same pictures on this site before, but there was never any issue about it until now.
That's cool.
What everyone doesn't realize is that I just posted the nasty pictures to get a reaction, and I have. It definitely weeds out who is open about sexuality and who isn't.
Fine, don't see me anymore, it's not going to break my heart or stop me from posting on this site.
At least when I do post classy pics, they are not of me taken with a cell phone camera on a roach-motel bed.
Just don't look at the pics, and move on to the next revolving hole.
It's quite funny that you say no one wants to see my asshole, yet everyone wants to stick their cock in there.
So go ahead a post a pic of yours. We can have a contest to see who asshole is sexier.
Tata for now-I'm off for a relaxing vacation on the white sand beaches of Florida.
Kisses,
Molly Mae.
PS: I have just locked the girl-on-girl videos on my website-they may just be a little too inappropriate for you.
Member #4733
08-06-12, 22:36
Discrete.
1. Having or showing discernment or good judgment in conduct and especially in speech : prudent; especially: capable of preserving prudent silence
2. : unpretentious, modest <the warmth and discreet elegance of a civilized home — Joseph Wechsberg
DISCRETION.
1. The quality of having or showing discernment or good judgment : the quality of being discreet : circumspection; especially: cautious reserve in speech
2. Ability to make responsible decisions.
I trust we all understand the other two!
To Sergeant Joe Friday, thanks for reading and collecting yet more asinine information for the files.
Brass
Member #5011
08-06-12, 23:21
I wish more of the junk and trash would be pushed here but it is not. Sorry if I anger others but most of the stuff on the other pages seems to be needed to be moved here and not added to and time wasted on those pages. Just my humble opinion. Many, many thanks to those for help with, great dreams. Please rock thek on.
Discrete.
1. Having or showing discernment or good judgment in conduct and especially in speech : prudent; especially: capable of preserving prudent silence
2. : unpretentious, modest <the warmth and discreet elegance of a civilized home — Joseph Wechsberg
DISCRETION.
1. The quality of having or showing discernment or good judgment : the quality of being discreet : circumspection; especially: cautious reserve in speech
2. Ability to make responsible decisions.
I trust we all understand the other two!
To Sergeant Joe Friday, thanks for reading and collecting yet more asinine information for the files.
Brass
Member #4570
08-07-12, 11:00
You posted those ass pics for me cause you knew how much I would like them (at least that is the fantasy in my head)! Keep them coming cause your ass is damn sexy!
How about we get a provider competition for the sexiest ass! I volunteer to be an official judge.
-BigBird69.
Why amazes me the most is that I have posted each and every one of those exact same pictures on this site before, but there was never any issue about it until now.
That's cool.
What everyone doesn't realize is that I just posted the nasty pictures to get a reaction, and I have. It definitely weeds out who is open about sexuality and who isn't.
Fine, don't see me anymore, it's not going to break my heart or stop me from posting on this site.
At least when I do post classy pics, they are not of me taken with a cell phone camera on a roach-motel bed.
Just don't look at the pics, and move on to the next revolving hole.
It's quite funny that you say no one wants to see my asshole, yet everyone wants to stick their cock in there.
So go ahead a post a pic of yours. We can have a contest to see who asshole is sexier.
Tata for now-I'm off for a relaxing vacation on the white sand beaches of Florida.
Kisses,
Molly Mae.
PS: I have just locked the girl-on-girl videos on my website-they may just be a little too inappropriate for you.
Caligulaxxx
08-07-12, 12:51
I've been following this conversation wondering is this her dad or boyfriend. But now I get it you really want to post a pic of your asshole shame on you CALI.I am a nasty boy like that.
Delicious Dawn
08-07-12, 13:49
I'm claiming that. I have the sexiest ass! .
Love ya Molly.
Dawn
You posted those ass pics for me cause you knew how much I would like them (at least that is the fantasy in my head)! Keep them coming cause your ass is damn sexy!
How about we get a provider competition for the sexiest ass! I volunteer to be an official judge.
-BigBird69.
Delicious Dawn
08-07-12, 13:51
Naughty nasty Caligula.
LOL.
Let's all play nice. Breathe in, breathe out.
To each their own.
All the best,
Dawn.
QUOTE=Caligulaxxx; 1513127]I am a nasty boy like that.[/QUOTE]
GiddyUp Go
08-07-12, 18:16
Oh boy! Now we get Molly's new buddy Dawn in the game. Are we going to see sweet delicious dawn's asshole next? Stay tuned, looks like delicious dawn is getting more delicious by the day.
I'm claiming that. I have the sexiest ass!
Love ya Molly.
Dawn
MollyDaniels
08-07-12, 23:53
You are just pissed because I have never seen you, and I refuse to see you, and I warn everyone not to see you.
That's the only reason you posted on my rant.
At least you finally gave up on trying to see me.
I used to get a text once a week from you begging for an appt.
Should I post those texts for everyone to read?
They do make you sound like the whining, begging nobody that you are.
Kisses,
Molly
Delicious Dawn
08-08-12, 08:47
Giddyup,
No dear, you won't. LOL. I was just claiming the sexiest ass title as I do believe I have the nicest ass in the area. However; if you want a personal private look at both Molly and I, for your own comparison, we can make that happen.
Until then, no explicit photos of mine. That's just how I prefer to keep it.
All the best,
Dawn
Oh boy! Now we get Molly's new buddy Dawn in the game. Are we going to see sweet delicious dawn's asshole next? Stay tuned, looks like delicious dawn is getting more delicious by the day.
Newbie 101
08-08-12, 13:32
First, if you could actually read? . I gave you a visual compliment.
Second, you may post whatever Fictitious claims you like. All this started months back when I gave a good review, for a provider, that upset Dawn. The drama & flames grew from there. I am not doubting Dawn's word. And, I did some recon to validate some of it. But, the end result? I still see the lady. She is a sweetheart to me. It is an obvious case of YMMV. Even though there have been issues for others (I guess) I have had nothing short of amazing times with her.
Then, you start in on me? I assume it is out of loyalty to Dawn. Not a bad thing. But, give me a break. The only time we have talked, so I assume you have my burn number, was when you wanted to trade a BJ for a bottle of vodka. Not my style. A great body only gets you so far. At least with me.
So, all is good. You have never, and will never, get a donation dollar from me. There are too many sweethearts available on the curcuit to deal with this kind of stuff.
101.
You are just pissed because I have never seen you, and I refuse to see you, and I warn everyone not to see you.
That's the only reason you posted on my rant.
At least you finally gave up on trying to see me.
I used to get a text once a week from you begging for an appt.
Should I post those texts for everyone to read?
They do make you sound like the whining, begging nobody that you are.
Kisses,
Molly
Giddyup,
No dear, you won't. LOL. I was just claiming the sexiest ass title as I do believe I have the nicest ass in the area. However; if you want a personal private look at both Molly and I, for your own comparison, we can make that happen.
Until then, no explicit photos of mine. That's just how I prefer to keep it.
All the best,
DawnI do agree with you that you have a very fine ass. I definitely think I could pick it out of an ass lineup. As always.
GiddyUp Go
08-08-12, 23:35
Giddyup,
No dear, you won't. LOL. I was just claiming the sexiest ass title as I do believe I have the nicest ass in the area. However; if you want a personal private look at both Molly and I, for your own comparison, we can make that happen.
Until then, no explicit photos of mine. That's just how I prefer to keep it.
All the best,
DawnWell, folks, thats it for this poster on this subject. Don't want to make my identity on this site limited to discussing assholes, or gigging you dawn or even molly for their pics. I seen you both, not together yet, and I'm not makingany kind of comparison. Don't need to you are both fine ladies and have fine asses. As to your ass, dawn, yes indeed it is sweet, it is sassy and it is refreshing. Don't know if its delicious haven't tasted yet LOL the point I was making and am still trying to make has nothing to do with your ass or molly's ass or comparing them. I love them both. The point was and is about the hole in the ass, the asshole, not the ass itself. I've been looking at this site for a while now and have liked it despite the drama because it looked like providers and hobbiests were classier than plain ole' porn site girls and for that reason safer and more reliable. You said that providers are ladies and deserve respect which I completely agree with but sticking a gaping asshole in my face IMHO isn't deserving of the respect a lady with a little bit of class might merit. I'm probably naive or idealistic or whatever but thats how I see assholes on this site. Not that I don't love porn, both naughty and nasty. I can guarantee that my prurient interests are as great as anyone on this site but close ups of assholes staring me in the face on this site just doesn't do it for me. So dawn I'm all for you keeping your asshole off this site.
All the best, gg
MollyDaniels
08-09-12, 15:46
Okay gentlemen.
I surrender this fight.
I have been defeated, but I do like that we are going to the rants and raves thread now.
So no more raunchy pics for now.
Kisses,
Molly
Delicious Dawn
08-09-12, 16:41
I have nothing to do with you and ignored your pm last week where you asked if we could play. I did not reply. I've not spoken to you in a long time and prefer to keep it that way. I am going against my own rules by posting this, but what the hey.
I haven't the slightest clue as to what you are talking about. Why, Dear, would I care if you gave a glowing review of another? I don't. In fact, I am ALL for everyone being safe and I provide references for my gentlemen friends all the time. I want them to be safe. I want the ladies to be safe. I have no reasons to be jealous of anyone nor am I. Never. I am 100% confident in my own being and I am my own person. We are all not the same and if we were, we would be quite boring.
If you are referring to the Snow incident, which I believe you may be. That was SO long ago. Do you enjoy drama? I think that you do. I for one, do not. I am probably feeding you it right now. Shame on me. However: I do not like you bringing my name up and mixing Molly into it. She and I have not ever discussed you. Why? You are not worth our time. We see gentlemen and you my dear are a little boy. So, you are way off base with that reply to Ms. Molly.
What happened with Snow, happened. I was watching out for my friends here and I would do it again. Maybe you should have done your homework beforehand and you would have saved everyone time.
Please, go about your business and leave me out of it. No more pm's asking for an appointment. I have no desire to ever see you. Not ever.
Find something else to do besides sit behind a computer screen and cause / stir drama.
Honestly? I wish you all the best.
Dawn.
First, if you could actually read? . I gave you a visual compliment.
Second, you may post whatever Fictitious claims you like. All this started months back when I gave a good review, for a provider, that upset Dawn. The drama & flames grew from there. I am not doubting Dawn's word. And, I did some recon to validate some of it. But, the end result? I still see the lady. She is a sweetheart to me. It is an obvious case of YMMV. Even though there have been issues for others (I guess) I have had nothing short of amazing times with her.
Then, you start in on me? I assume it is out of loyalty to Dawn. Not a bad thing. But, give me a break. The only time we have talked, so I assume you have my burn number, was when you wanted to trade a BJ for a bottle of vodka. Not my style. A great body only gets you so far. At least with me.
So, all is good. You have never, and will never, get a donation dollar from me. There are too many sweethearts available on the curcuit to deal with this kind of stuff.
101.
Delicious Dawn
08-10-12, 11:39
Waltmore,
I miss you. I hope that all is well.
Call me maybe to catch up?
Xoxo,
Dawn.
I do agree with you that you have a very fine ass. I definitely think I could pick it out of an ass lineup. As always.
Newbie 101
08-10-12, 12:59
Loyalty is a wonderful thing! Good for you!
And, yes I still see "Snow" on a regular basis. She is a sweetheart. Another case of YMMV, I guess.
Say hello to Molly for me!
101
I have nothing to do with you and ignored your pm last week where you asked if we could play. I did not reply. I've not spoken to you in a long time and prefer to keep it that way. I am going against my own rules by posting this, but what the hey.
I haven't the slightest clue as to what you are talking about. Why, Dear, would I care if you gave a glowing review of another? I don't. In fact, I am ALL for everyone being safe and I provide references for my gentlemen friends all the time. I want them to be safe. I want the ladies to be safe. I have no reasons to be jealous of anyone nor am I. Never. I am 100% confident in my own being and I am my own person. We are all not the same and if we were, we would be quite boring.
If you are referring to the Snow incident, which I believe you may be. That was SO long ago. Do you enjoy drama? I think that you do. I for one, do not. I am probably feeding you it right now. Shame on me. However: I do not like you bringing my name up and mixing Molly into it. She and I have not ever discussed you. Why? You are not worth our time. We see gentlemen and you my dear are a little boy. So, you are way off base with that reply to Ms. Molly.
What happened with Snow, happened. I was watching out for my friends here and I would do it again. Maybe you should have done your homework beforehand and you would have saved everyone time.
Please, go about your business and leave me out of it. No more pm's asking for an appointment. I have no desire to ever see you. Not ever.
Find something else to do besides sit behind a computer screen and cause / stir drama.
Honestly? I wish you all the best.
Dawn.
Member #4570
08-10-12, 15:36
Okay gentlemen.
I surrender this fight.
I have been defeated, but I do like that we are going to the rants and raves thread now.
So no more raunchy pics for now.
Kisses,
MollyA few cry babies and it's ruined for the rest of us! Who would have thunk it!
-BigBird69
GiddyUp Go
08-10-12, 22:58
Okay gentlemen.
I surrender this fight.
I have been defeated, but I do like that we are going to the rants and raves thread now.
So no more raunchy pics for now.
Kisses,
MollyWell played Miss Molly. For a person I know as a "no retreat, baby, no surrender" type of girl (with apologies to the "Boss" LOL) you have calmed the savage beast! And have no fear fellow mongers, treat Molly well and from experience there's all the views and play imaginable.
Gg
Alexandria513
08-30-12, 16:23
Rules Of Being A working girl.
Rule # 1;
The First rule to being a working girl is, you may only have one number 1 working girl at a time.
Rule # 2;
The Second rule is, being in a Whorealation (working girl Relationship) does not automatically mean you have gained sexual privileges, when you are in a Whorealation with a special other working girl, you make your relationship, this could be, shopping buddies, boyfriend-girlfriend, girlfriend-girlfriend, boyfriend-boyfriend, or nothing more than friends. You basically make your own relationship, and no strings are attached!
Rule # 3;
The Third Rule is very important! When you are in a Worealation with someone you may not cheat on them with another working girl, or you will be called a **** for 365 days. A bad mark indeed.
Rule # 4;
The Fourth rule is, When you are in a Whorealation you may have a boyfriend or girlfriend. But your working girl ALWAYS COMES FIRST! Yes, you can have sexual relations with your working girl and your girlfriend or boyfriend at the same time. Whorealations. Or more special and magikal than regular relationships.
Rule # 5;
The Fifth rule to being SUPER! Whoreable is, Once your in a Whorealation you may never not have a working girl, to be able to get out of a Whorealation, you must simply find another working girl and tell your X working girl, you found a new working girl. The only small implications and deviations or understanding to this rule is, if a loss of a working girl is caused by death, then it's assumed your on Whorecation. (working girl vacation)
Rule # 6;
The Sixth rule to being in a Whorealation is, the only pleasant thing a working girl likes to be called is *****, and working girl, bad things to call your working girl is ****, And ****, these are no'no's. NOTE: if your working girl does something naughty or needs to be slapped you may do so to your judgement, and calling of the two bad names is understandable in this situation.
Rule # 7;
The Seventh and final rule is, treat your working girl as yourself! Because without your working girl, you are nothing!
Would like to present my case to this form for feedback and comment from providers and other hobbist. There has been several new providers placing ads in the escort.
Section, but they are not providing Donation amounts or location of there incall I. E. City. So I send pm Messages to several of the providers asking what there donation amount.
And where there incall was at nothing else was asked. Here the replies I got back from two of the providers I pm.
Alexanadria 513 pm me back saying why don't I be a man and call.
Zarah pm me sayining she would not incriminate herself and to call her.
Here my problem and this if for the providers out there. There should be fee's listed in your ad for services renderd or am I mistaken in that train of thought?
And have at least the city of where your incall is so the Hobbist can decide if they want to make the trip or if in a city or place they don't want to go.
For Alexanadrai 513 I think I was totaly uncall for to come across the way she did. For asking for info that should have been in here ad.
For Zarah giving me fee amount and location would incriminate herself thur pm but in here ad she posted she giving oral sex to a guy? And that not?
I like to pm Provider on this site frist as a way to let the provider know who I am I. E. My handle. And if the info I get meet the need that I have like location price.
Then I would like to move foward with a phone call. Hope to have a firm and fair dicussion on what I said but I getting ready for the flames and games to begin.
just for the record i did call all the providers i pm.
I agree with you. The fees must be posted. However, I always read the ad to find out if they state no texting. No texting translates as no pm to me so I usually call the provider first. Like you, I prefer to pm or text during the initial contact. I also like to respect a provider's position on how they like to be contacted.
Would like to present my case to this form for feedback and comment from providers and other hobbist. There has been several new providers placing ads in the escort.
Section, but they are not providing Donation amounts or location of there incall I. E. City. So I send pm Messages to several of the providers asking what there donation amount.
And where there incall was at nothing else was asked. Here the replies I got back from two of the providers I pm.
Alexanadria 513 pm me back saying why don't I be a man and call.
Zarah pm me sayining she would not incriminate herself and to call her.
Here my problem and this if for the providers out there. There should be fee's listed in your ad for services renderd or am I mistaken in that train of thought?
And have at least the city of where your incall is so the Hobbist can decide if they want to make the trip or if in a city or place they don't want to go.
For Alexanadrai 513 I think I was totaly uncall for to come across the way she did. For asking for info that should have been in here ad.
For Zarah giving me fee amount and location would incriminate herself thur pm but in here ad she posted she giving oral sex to a guy? And that not?
I like to pm Provider on this site frist as a way to let the provider know who I am I. E. My handle. And if the info I get meet the need that I have like location price.
Then I would like to move foward with a phone call. Hope to have a firm and fair dicussion on what I said but I getting ready for the flames and games to begin.
Just for the record I did call all the providers I pm.
Like the feedback that I have recived so far. Never really thought about no text going along with the pm but I see the point. But here was my main reason fro trying to pm the provider frist was to let them know my handle on this site. What to stop someone calling a provider and giving then someone elses handle on this site. Not sure if I over thinking this to much? But from now I will call the provider in the for the frist contact.
Cincyeast52
09-04-12, 17:08
Would like to present my case to this form for feedback and comment from providers and other hobbist. There has been several new providers placing ads in the escort.
Section, but they are not providing Donation amounts or location of there incall I. E. City. So I send pm Messages to several of the providers asking what there donation amount.
And where there incall was at nothing else was asked. Here the replies I got back from two of the providers I pm.
Alexanadria 513 pm me back saying why don't I be a man and call.
Zarah pm me sayining she would not incriminate herself and to call her.
Here my problem and this if for the providers out there. There should be fee's listed in your ad for services renderd or am I mistaken in that train of thought?
And have at least the city of where your incall is so the Hobbist can decide if they want to make the trip or if in a city or place they don't want to go.
For Alexanadrai 513 I think I was totaly uncall for to come across the way she did. For asking for info that should have been in here ad.
For Zarah giving me fee amount and location would incriminate herself thur pm but in here ad she posted she giving oral sex to a guy? And that not?
I like to pm Provider on this site frist as a way to let the provider know who I am I. E. My handle. And if the info I get meet the need that I have like location price.
Then I would like to move foward with a phone call. Hope to have a firm and fair dicussion on what I said but I getting ready for the flames and games to begin.
Just for the record I did call all the providers I pm.Man, these babes are snarky! Who needs the attitude when there are fabulous women out there. They need to hire a PR agency.
KrazyDaisy
09-05-12, 02:30
I would actually agree with the providers not stating what city they're working out of. That makes it too easy for LEO in an area like this where there are so many jurisdictions.
I do think it would be a good idea to post rates. That just saves everyone time, and you're not explicitly saying what the rates are. Since you're posting in a section that labels you an "advertiser," it's already clear you're looking for money for some unspecified service.
I would also agree it's a bad idea of providers to post photos of themselves in the act. Not that I mind the photos. But it makes for rather easy evidence for LEO.
Providers obviously have their own preferences for whether you call or text. Personally, I would always prefer to call. There's nothing to stop a cop from recording a call, so if you think it protects you to use text, think again. I'm never personally going to see someone I haven't at least talked to, and I'd think it would be even more the case for providers. The ones who only want to deal initially by text make me suspicious for a number of reasons.He is such a little snibberly little baby grow so balls and actually call a gurl you sound pathetic
He is such a little snibberly little baby grow so balls and actually call a gurl you sound patheticOk for the record if you are refering to me I Did call you after you did not reply to my PM and decided I would not want to see you because you sound like a druged out crazy *****.
And after see some of the negtive post that I seen on this site I rest my case.
KrazyDaisy
09-06-12, 04:07
Ok for the record if you are refering to me I Did call you after you did not reply to my PM and decided I would not want to see you because you sound like a druged out crazy.
And after see some of the negtive post that I seen on this site I rest my case.Do you ever have anything nice to say about anyone guess you are just a sad little man.
Do you ever have anything nice to say about anyone guess you are just a sad little man.Yeah I say plently of nice things to people who are nice to me. But for those who like to talk crap and think I am going to just sit there and take it? Hell No!
Yeah I might be a sad little man but I'm not a street walker trying to ask for a escort price.
Yeah I say plently of nice things to people who are nice to me. But for those who like to talk crap and think I am going to just sit there and take it? Hell No!
Yeah I might be a sad little man but I'm not a street walker trying to ask for a escort price.Why can't we be nice to people who aren't nice to us? What do we gain anytime we're not nice?
Why can't we be nice to people who aren't nice to us? What do we gain anytime we're not nice?That a good point I try to be nice but sometimes these new providers really get on my last nerve. And at this point of my life being in this hobby I got a low threshold for BS.
But I agree you reap what you sow.
Utr In Ohio
09-14-12, 11:41
Man, these babes are snarky! Who needs the attitude when there are fabulous women out there. They need to hire a PR agency.Am I reding that right? Cincyeast52 is encouraging new providers to join agencies? LOL.
JK. Had to bust balls a little on that one.
I agree with all of you the newer crop is coming up and the attitudes are just nasty! Herion / Opiates are a *****!
Jmho.
B
It comes down to economics. If women are selling or giving away sex, the market value of sexual access drops precipitously. Ideally, we would evolve culturally to a point where women had access to economic security, child-care, and so on without needing to resort to bartering their sexual autonomy to get these things, but we're not there yet. What do the following words have in common? Fare, dues, tuition, interest, rent, and fee. The answer is that each of these is a term used to describe what one must pay to acquire benefits from another party. More commonly, most people simply use the word price to indicate what it costs to acquire a product.
The pricing decision is a critical one for most marketers, yet the amount of attention given to this key area is often much less than is given to other marketing decisions. One reason for the lack of attention is that many believe price setting is a mechanical process requiring the marketer to utilize financial tools, such as spreadsheets, to build their case for setting price levels. While financial tools are widely used to assist in setting price, marketers must consider many other factors when arriving at the price for which their product will sell.
In general terms price is a component of an exchange or transaction that takes place between two parties and refers to what must be given up by one party (I. E, buyer) in order to obtain something offered by another party (I. E, seller). Yet this view of price provides a somewhat limited explanation of what price means to participants in the transaction. In fact, price means different things to different participants in an exchange:
Buyers' View – For those making a purchase, such as final customers, price refers to what must be given up to obtain benefits. In most cases what is given up is financial consideration (e. G, money) in exchange for acquiring access to a good or service. But financial consideration is not always what the buyer gives up. Sometimes in a barter situation a buyer may acquire a product by giving up their own product. For instance, two farmers may exchange cattle for crops. Also, as we will discuss below, buyers may also give up other things to acquire the benefits of a product that are not direct financial payments (e. G, time to learn to use the product).
Sellers' View. To sellers in a transaction, price reflects the revenue generated for each product sold and, thus, is an important factor in determining profit. For marketing organizations price also serves as a marketing tool and is a key element in marketing promotions. For example, most retailers highlight product pricing in their advertising campaigns.
Price is commonly confused with the notion of cost as in "I paid a high cost for buying my new plasma television." Technically, though, these are different concepts. Price is what a buyer pays to acquire products from a seller. Cost concerns the seller's investment (e. G, manufacturing expense) in the product being exchanged with a buyer. For marketing organizations seeking to make a profit the hope is that price will exceed cost so the organization can see financial gain from the transaction.
Finally, while product pricing is a main topic for discussion when a company is examining its overall profitability, pricing decisions are not limited to for-profit companies. Not-for-profit organizations, such as charities, educational institutions and industry trade groups, also set prices, though it is often not as apparent. For instance, charities seeking to raise money may set different 'target' levels for donations that reward donors with increases in status (e. G, name in newsletter) , gifts or other benefits. While a charitable organization may not call it a price in their promotional material, in reality these donations are equivalent to price setting since donors are required to give a contribution in order to obtain something of value.
For most customers price by itself is not the key factor when a purchase is being considered. This is because most customers compare the entire marketing offering and do not simply make their purchase decision based solely on a product's price. In essence when a purchase situation arises price is one of several variables customers evaluate when they mentally assess a product's overall value.
Since price often reflects an important part of what someone gives up, a customer's perceived value of a product will be affected by a marketer's pricing decision. Any easy way to see this is to view value as a calculation:
Value = perceived benefits received / perceived price paid.
For the buyer value of a product will change as perceived price paid and / or perceived benefits received change. But the price paid in a transaction is not only financial it can also involve other things that a buyer may be giving up. For example, in addition to paying money a customer may have to spend time learning to use a product, pay to have an old product removed, close down current operations while a product is installed or incur other expenses
When setting price, marketers must take into consideration several factors which are the result of company decisions and actions. To a large extent these factors are controllable by the company and, if necessary, can be altered. However, while the organization may have control over these factors making a quick change is not always realistic.
There are a number of influencing factors which are not controlled by the company but will impact pricing decisions. Understanding these factors requires the marketer conduct research to monitor what is happening in each market the company serves since the effect of these factors can vary by market.
BiggerDog69
09-17-12, 07:19
I avoid drama. Got divorced to keep it away, but here are a few of my rants:
How many times a day can a group of providers post to knock all of the other adds to 2 and 3 pages back? Damn, you all charge the same, provide the same, does it take 6-10 ads a day to let people know? Limits need to be. Setup.
Review section: trying to find an actual review now is futile since. There are 7 or more pages of BS to wade through. Instead of a Sr only section, what we need is a private review, Sr only section without provider visibility that is enforced bs free. Separate the bs from the general banter.
Provider only area: where they can post bs to each other and we don't have to fish through it. They can list mongers that hurt them, etc. Without our prying eyes as well.
That is all from me, probably my last blast post as I hate that crap.
For anyone with an actual opinion and Intel, I'd sure like to know more about Autumn. Pm if you have info or feedback. Thanks.
BD69
I avoid drama. Got divorced to keep it away, but here are a few of my rants:
How many times a day can a group of providers post to knock all of the other adds to 2 and 3 pages back? Damn, you all charge the same, provide the same, does it take 6-10 ads a day to let people know? Limits need to be. Setup.
Review section: trying to find an actual review now is futile since. There are 7 or more pages of BS to wade through. Instead of a Sr only section, what we need is a private review, Sr only section without provider visibility that is enforced bs free. Separate the bs from the general banter.
Provider only area: where they can post bs to each other and we don't have to fish through it. They can list mongers that hurt them, etc. Without our prying eyes as well.
That is all from me, probably my last blast post as I hate that crap.
For anyone with an actual opinion and Intel, I'd sure like to know more about Autumn. Pm if you have info or feedback. Thanks.
BD69BD69 I could not agree with you more, it takes to long to sort through the crap to find good intel.
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Marmon1913
09-18-12, 15:53
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Anyway to cut back on some of this spamming the board, it just loads up the picture gallery with the same pic's over and over again. This is not BP, you don't need to post the same ad everyday. I can't be the only member that feels this way.
I'm with you John.
Jackson needs to only let the escorts post there ads on here a maximum of three times per week. There are times when these escorts take up to two pages in the photo sections.
Look Ladies we all know that you are out there. So give it a Break. Please sweetie Pie
Could not agree more with you. Thought it only a few provider that are doing it here as they probably do on backpage. But providers posting a max of 3 times a week sounds fair.
UOTE=Marmon1913; 1547932]John Wise.
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Anyway to cut back on some of this spamming the board, it just loads up the picture gallery with the same pic's over and over again. This is not BP, you don't need to post the same ad everyday. I can't be the only member that feels this way.
I'm with you John.
Jackson needs to only let the escorts post there ads on here a maximum of three times per week. There are times when these escorts take up to two pages in the photo sections.
Look Ladies we all know that you are out there. So give it a Break. Please sweetie Pie[/QUOTE]
Utr In Ohio
09-19-12, 07:45
Could not agree more with you. Thought it only a few provider that are doing it here as they probably do on backpage. But providers posting a max of 3 times a week sounds fair.
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Anyway to cut back on some of this spamming the board, it just loads up the picture gallery with the same pic's over and over again. This is not BP, you don't need to post the same ad everyday. I can't be the only member that feels this way.
I'm with you John.
Jackson needs to only let the escorts post there ads on here a maximum of three times per week. There are times when these escorts take up to two pages in the photo sections.
Look Ladies we all know that you are out there. So give it a Break. Please sweetie Pie[/QUOTE]I was told that the members wanted seperate ads for each girl. The next few days my daily ad would start on 2nd page because of the amount of ads for same girls. Yesterday I ran a ad for each of the two I have. Still didn't stay on front page. LOL.
I was just playing around but its funny how fast the ads move compared to the rest of the board.
B.
BTW. I do think the girls are a great group and hope they don't get caught up in the hype as we all know how fast the few can ruin it for them and us.
Jmo B
I agree if you travel a lot that you should post often to inform hobbyists that you are in that area. And for myself I do not think you post to much on here or backpage. Or that UTR does. But there another set of provider that I keep seeing a lot of ads on here and backpage. And these provider are not traveling or having a new number. And when these providers make so many ads on here it kind of hard on other provider that do not post so often. Just my two cents worth.
QUOTE=Sinful Dreams; 1548950][/QUOTE]I agree to a point. BUT like myself when I move around and not in the same location, I might post one ad one day, and another ad somewhere else the next day. I don't try to flood the board though with more than one ad a day. Just my two cents.
Be Safe,
Ally[/QUOTE]
I agree if you travel a lot that you should post often to inform hobbyists that you are in that area. And for myself I do not think you post to much on here or backpage. Or that UTR does. But there another set of provider that I keep seeing a lot of ads on here and backpage. And these provider are not traveling or having a new number. And when these providers make so many ads on here it kind of hard on other provider that do not post so often. Just my two cents worth.
QUOTE=Sinful Dreams; 1548950]I agree to a point. BUT like myself when I move around and not in the same location, I might post one ad one day, and another ad somewhere else the next day. I don't try to flood the board though with more than one ad a day. Just my two cents.
Be Safe,
Ally[/QUOTE][/QUOTE]Agreed. Three times per week should be plenty if there is no significant change in price, menu, appearance, location, or contact information. Maybe it is a perception thing, but it does seem like we have some providers that put three ads on there per day-and all it is is a copy and paste of the same dang ad. It has gotten to the point that I just skip through them and look for somebody new or an old favorite visiting or offering something new, different or a actual friggin' special-for the record calling the rate that you always charge "a special this weekend" over and over does not make it a special! It makes it tedious and can lead to buyer remorse, before they ever actually buy!
Maybe the ladies don't trust us to make a discerning choice in who we see? Do all providers really think we are so impulsive that we just click and see the first pretty girl listed at the top of the page, hence the need to refresh a redundant copy and paste job?
I for one would like to thank you for your reply and willingness to address this even though I'm not one that has an issue.
It was obvious that posts where directed to your group.
However, I can browse at my leisure when looking at all adds and like that your Fan4 is now all pretty much the same except for pertinent info for each lady.
Keep killing them with kindness!
MM.
I was told that the members wanted seperate ads for each girl. The next few days my daily ad would start on 2nd page because of the amount of ads for same girls. Yesterday I ran a ad for each of the two I have. Still didn't stay on front page. LOL.
I was just playing around but its funny how fast the ads move compared to the rest of the board.
B.
BTW. I do think the girls are a great group and hope they don't get caught up in the hype as we all know how fast the few can ruin it for them and us.
Jmo BWe also were told that everyone wanted individual ads but if we are posting to many give us counsel on what you want to see and we will comply.
We can do four individual ads or one large ad with all four girls.
Thanks,
Crissee[/QUOTE]
I have a complaint about the number of ads that are being posted in the thread "Escort-Classified-Ads-Posted-by-Escorts-No-Reviews-or-Commentary". Some women who have been advertising on this particular thread are overloading the site with multiple advertisements. I find this annoying. I think the administration should curtail the number of ads by an escort to maybe only one per week rather than three or four per day. There is one group of four women who have a joint ad followed by an ad for each of the women in the group, and on the same page this ad appears more than once.
I have a complaint about the number of ads that are being posted in the thread "Escort-Classified-Ads-Posted-by-Escorts-No-Reviews-or-Commentary". Some women who have been advertising on this particular thread are overloading the site with multiple advertisements. I find this annoying. I think the administration should curtail the number of ads by an escort to maybe only one per week rather than three or four per day. There is one group of four women who have a joint ad followed by an ad for each of the women in the group, and on the same page this ad appears more than once.As bothersome as the guys that choose to comment on them there as opposed to the proper thread.
I can see their reason for doing it, it keeps their ad on the front page.
Maybe the solution is a simple directory thread for making the regular advertisers easier to find.
I don't agree with it being only one ad per week. Because like myself, I change locations from day to day, so my clients need to know where I am. For others, yes I think it's asinine if they are in the same spot and constantly posting the same ad. Just my two cents worth as always.
Be Safe,
AllyIf you have a phone listing in your ad you can tell the caller of your new location.
I have a complaint about the number of ads that are being posted in the thread "Escort-Classified-Ads-Posted-by-Escorts-No-Reviews-or-Commentary". Some women who have been advertising on this particular thread are overloading the site with multiple advertisements. I find this annoying. I think the administration should curtail the number of ads by an escort to maybe only one per week rather than three or four per day. There is one group of four women who have a joint ad followed by an ad for each of the women in the group, and on the same page this ad appears more than once.On Page 1 today, September 24, 2012: Erika (2) , Lexi33 (2) and CandiceXOXO (2).
If you have a phone listing in your ad you can tell the caller of your new location.
I respectfully disagree. I know that myself and a couple other Mongers that I talk with feel that all of the ads should include at least a general location (e.g. eastside, westside, north of I-275, NKY, etc.) whether they change location daily or not. In fact, there are a few things that I would always like to know in advance (i.e. posted in the ad) before I make the call.
Knowing the Provider's general location, cost, and decent, accurate, recent photos are probably the most important. If I am looking for some fun, I will often make my decision based on how close the Provider is to me, how much the session will cost, and what the Provider looks like (in no particular order).
If I am short on time, location may play a BIG factor in the decision. Many times, I don't want to drive 45 minutes to the Provider's location, have an hour session, and then drive 45 minutes back. That's almost 3 hours of my day and I can't always give up that much time. And, knowing the location becomes even more important if the Provider changes location every day. Just because she was close yesterday doesn't mean she is today.
Cost is obvious. If I don't have the money, I can't play.
Decent, accurate, recent photos should be pretty obvious too. By decent, I mean -- clear, in focus, well lit, showing her face (if she is comfortable with that) and body. They don't have to be "professional" photos, but preferably not just self portraits taken with your phone in the mirror. Accurate -- the photos should be of the actual girl that I'm going to see without any major retouching / body shaping. Recent -- a decent, accurate photo of a Provider from three years ago is really not what I want to see. What does the Provider look like today.
Frankly, it wastes my time and the Provider's time if I have to call to find out these things only to learn that she is too far away, or costs too much, or her appearance doesn't appeal to me -- when I could have found all of this information in her ad.
On the topic of daily ads. I don't mind daily ads... IF there is a valid reason to post a daily ad:
Phone number changed,
Location changed,
Rate changed,
New pictures,
Doesn't work every day and she is working today,
etc.
I honestly don't think that a Provider must post a daily ad just to be kept on the front page. Whether on BackPage, USASG, or other sites, I will look through several days of ads until I find who I want. I certainly won't pick someone solely based on the fact that she is on the first page of ads at which I look. In fact, I typically jump back several days (3 or 4 pages at least) and look at the ads in reverse order anyhow.
Ladies, while I am sure that you might miss a potential Client here and there because he saw someone else's ad before yours, posting a lot of ads or ads every day to stay on the front page is not really the solution. Ad-wise: a clear, enticing ad with complete, relevant information and photos are going to be the best choice. Beyond that, if you provide the best Service (in the broad sense of the term) that you can, you'll get good reviews and referrals and then the ads won't matter as much.
Just my thoughts on the topic,
JRW1
On Page 1 today, September 24, 2012: Erika (2) , Lexi33 (2) and CandiceXOXO (2).Apparently all within the rules of the road here. As stated in FAQ: "you are welcomed to re-post your advertisement as you may desire."
MollyDaniels
09-24-12, 13:31
Some great points to advertising.
But,
I have a website that shows current pics, services, rates, contact info, availability-all the things that are desired in a posted ad, except for my location.
Personally, I don't even like to give out my general location until I have checked the client's references.
In terms of ads, I do like to get creative with what my advertisement says, and therefore usually don't mention these things in the ads.
But, like Chrissee (I hope that's spelled right!) , with advertising, visibility, image, and the 'hook' have proven to be effective tools used everywhere in the advertising industry.
Your ad should be considered a first impression-for new clients, this is their 'window' to the real you.
Molly
I respectfully disagree. I know that myself and a couple other Mongers that I talk with feel that all of the ads should include at least a general location (e. G. Eastside, westside, north of I-275, NKY, etc.) whether they change location daily or not. In fact, there are a few things that I would always like to know in advance (I. E. Posted in the ad) before I make the call.
Knowing the Provider's general location, cost, and decent, accurate, recent photos are probably the most important. If I am looking for some fun, I will often make my decision based on how close the Provider is to me, how much the session will cost, and what the Provider looks like (in no particular order).
If I am short on time, location may play a BIG factor in the decision. Many times, I don't want to drive 45 minutes to the Provider's location, have an hour session, and then drive 45 minutes back. That's almost 3 hours of my day and I can't always give up that much time. And, knowing the location becomes even more important If the Provider changes location every day. Just because she was close yesterday doesn't mean she is today.
Cost is obvious. If I don't have the money, I can't play.
Decent, accurate, recent photos should be pretty obvious too. By decent, I mean. Clear, in focus, well lit, showing her face (if she is comfortable with that) and body. They don't have to be "professional" photos, but preferably not just self portraits taken with your phone in the mirror. Accurate. The photos should be of the actual girl that I'm going to see without any major retouching / body shaping. Recent. A decent, accurate photo of a Provider from three years ago is really not what I want to see. What does the Provider look like today.
Frankly, it wastes my time and the Provider's time if I have to call to find out these things only to learn that she is too far away, or costs too much, or her appearance doesn't appeal to me. When I could Have found all of this information in her ad.
On the topic of daily ads. I don't mind daily ads. IF There is a valid reason to post a daily ad:
Phone number changed,
Location changed,
Rate changed,
New pictures,
Doesn't work every day and she is working today,
Etc.
I honestly don't think that a Provider must post a daily ad just To be kept on the front page. Whether on BackPage, USASG, or other sites, I will look through several Days of ads until I find who I want. I certainly won't pick someone solely based on the fact that she is on the first page of ads at which I look. In fact, I typically jump back several days (3 or 4 pages at least) and look at the ads in reverse order anyhow.
Ladies, while I am sure that you might Miss a potential Client here and there because he saw someone else's ad before yours, posting a lot of ads or ads every day to stay on the front page is not really the solution. Ad-wise: a clear, enticing ad with complete, relevant information and photos are going to be the best choice. Beyond that, if you provide the best Service (in the broad sense of the term) that you can, you'll get good reviews and referrals and then the ads won't matter as much.
Just my thoughts on the topic,
JRW1I agree totaly to what is posted. And in my case I also like to know price of provider for the simple reason if I can afford to play or not. And the location I. E. City due to the fact that I pretty much locked in the covington, newport area. And if a provider lists the town I know whatever to call or not.
MollyDaniels
10-03-12, 06:06
Please quit fucking with my friends.
Seriously. It is not going to do you anything in the long run.
Much kisses!
Miss molly
Utr In Ohio
10-03-12, 12:49
Please quit fucking with my friends.
Seriously. It is not going to do you anything in the long run.
Much kisses!
Miss mollyIs that the goal here? I have not been around much so what bullshit am I being accused of now?
Utr In Ohio
10-03-12, 15:07
Any good advertiser knows visibility is the key.
If Jackson changes the policy to an index or any other form to advertise on we will follow the rules, however until then we post ads daily for all of the girls.
If a hobbyist is looking for a particular girl they will go to the effort of scrolling down to find her.
I think is a big deal about nothing.
All of the providers post regularly, we don't complain when they bump us down the page.
Every provider here is free to post daily as we do.
CrisseeCrissee,
You are doing a incredible job! Your ability to work the boards and the clients is refreshing. You have something I lost years ago and that is what is going to take you further here then would ever be possible for me. Keep up the good work. I would suggest however that you add more girls to your "thing" everyones popularity slows after awhile and girls will come and go.
Keep up the great job girl.
B
I am so sick of inconsiderate assholes who cancel on their appointment when I am IN ROUTE! Or even worse when I get there. And none of them have the balls to say it on the phone so they won't answer when I call them. They will maybe send a text. Usually with some bogus excuse why they can't see me. If you have cancelled on my 3 times saying "oh my kid is sick I have no babysitter" chances are I don't believe you. At least pick a new lie for the 3rd time. Or even better when I get off the exit that I'm meeting them on and I call for the rest of the directions or I am lost they don't answer. Later on if they answer when I call back or I get home and get an email its something dumb "oh my wife came home" or something else I don't think is true. If she did you could have just sent a text or called me and told me. Instead of just not telling me at all. If you're an hour away and ask for a special outfit that took me 3 hours to get ready and an hour of driving there only to hit your exit and you not answer and bail on me chances are I'm going to be irate. And not too mention the fact that all of my time and gas are wasted. That time I booked you I could have booked someone reliable who wouldn't bail. I think the lame excuses it what make me so mad. Make it at least believable. Or give proper notice. I want to start a blacklist of all the men who do this to us girls. A list of the ones who bail on appointments. Let us ridicule their every little thing they do, as they do us. I bet they wouldn't like it. I always try to be on time if I'm running behind I will let you know at least. I'm not inconsiderate, why don't you put your ass in our stilletos for a day. What if you got all the way to work and they were like "oh we know its payday but we don't have your checks today. Sorry" yeah bet you would be pissed off too! I also hate the young punks who try to contact me. No joke this 19 year old kid asked if since I'm outcall if he could see me in his 1992 celica! I'm like you have to be joking! And even better is if I post on CL and they think I want a boyfriend or to have NSAb relations with them. No honey this is my job. This one kid after he hung up on me for telling him my rates, sent me 47 text messages calling me everything but white. And thats why I hate the young ones. Grrrrrr! End rant!
Thanks for listening!Let me be the frist to say on behalf of the hobbyist who respect the time and effort that providers put in to do incall or outcall, only to have efforts goes down the drain because there are some out there who like to play game or do not have there ducks in a row. I for one dispise providers who keep making excuses or no call no show or call like 12 hours after we were supposed to meet. The blacklist is a good idea but the only problem with that is everyone is using prepaid cell phones so they just switch up when providers get a handle on the number. Would like to close by saying sorry for getting stood up.
I was about to post a rant, but this thread has been pretty rant packed lately, so I decided to post something more on the Rave / Opinion side of things.
I've seen Molly Daniels repeatedly for several months. She has always been relatively easy to contact when I have wanted to schedule a visit. I suppose it could be a case of YMMV with the other providers I've seen, but Molly is the only provider I've ever engaged for an overnight date because I've never found myself bored in her presence.
Part of the reason I find Molly Daniels so captivating, apart from her good looks, is that she is well rounded. I don't mean well rounded in comparison to other providers, I mean in general. I recall one night during a break between one round of adult fun and another, we were talking about research she did during grad school and then began arguing about the theory of Peak Oil. Molly jumped out of bed, plugged her laptop into her TV, and pulled up a graph of Hubbert's Peak. Ok, maybe science isn't your thing, but how many providers would do something like that as they tried to make their case in a debate? I bring up this point because it has been my experience that after an hour, the enchantment that most escorts provide starts to break down; either I get bored with the provider, or she gets bored with me, and the illusion of a GFE starts to crumble. With Molly, this has never happened. Any way, that night, after talking about oil and gas shortages, arguing about the position of certain elements on the periodic table, and discussing the possibility of life on other planets– chemically speaking, Molly broke out a game console and we played video games until after 3am. Playing video games came to an end because of a spontaneous make out session that led us back to playing more adult games until I was completely satisfied. Then we listened to music and talked for at least another hour before falling asleep together. I hope my example illustrates that Molly can find something to entertain anybody. You can engage her in conversation on a wide range of topics: sports, environmental biology, music of any kind, TV and pop culture, current events, literature, or her love of fast cars; or you can have an incredibly hot time in (or out of) bed with her; or you can take her to the stadium to see a game; or take her out to eat. And have her for desert, later. She does it all.
In my opinion, Molly has the perfect combination of ability, freedom, and willingness to provide long GFE appointments. Other providers either lack the experience, or have family obligations that crop up, or just aren't happy to spend so much time being with a hobbyist. But that isn't true of Miss Molly Mae Daniels. She is the real deal. It's a pity for those of us in the Cincinnati area that Molly travels so much, but I suppose a girl's got to do what a girl's got to do.
JohnGalt10
10-09-12, 06:20
I was about to post a rant, but this thread has been pretty rant packed lately, so I decided to post something more on the Rave / Opinion side of things.
I've seen Molly Daniels repeatedly for several months. She has always been relatively easy to contact when I have wanted to schedule a visit. I suppose it could be a case of YMMV with the other providers I've seen, but Molly is the only provider I've ever engaged for an overnight date because I've never found myself bored in her presence.
Part of the reason I find Molly Daniels so captivating, apart from her good looks, is that she is well rounded. I don't mean well rounded in comparison to other providers, I mean in general. I recall one night during a break between one round of adult fun and another, we were talking about research she did during grad school and then began arguing about the theory of Peak Oil. Molly jumped out of bed, plugged her laptop into her TV, and pulled up a graph of Hubbert's Peak. Ok, maybe science isn't your thing, but how many providers would do something like that as they tried to make their case in a debate? I bring up this point because it has been my experience that after an hour, the enchantment that most escorts provide starts to break down; either I get bored with the provider, or she gets bored with me, and the illusion of a GFE starts to crumble. With Molly, this has never happened. Any way, that night, after talking about oil and gas shortages, arguing about the position of certain elements on the periodic table, and discussing the possibility of life on other planets– chemically speaking, Molly broke out a game console and we played video games until after 3am. Playing video games came to an end because of a spontaneous make out session that led us back to playing more adult games until I was completely satisfied. Then we listened to music and talked for at least another hour before falling asleep together. I hope my example illustrates that Molly can find something to entertain anybody. You can engage her in conversation on a wide range of topics: sports, environmental biology, music of any kind, TV and pop culture, current events, literature, or her love of fast cars; or you can have an incredibly hot time in (or out of) bed with her; or you can take her to the stadium to see a game; or take her out to eat. And have her for desert, later. She does it all.
In my opinion, Molly has the perfect combination of ability, freedom, and willingness to provide long GFE appointments. Other providers either lack the experience, or have family obligations that crop up, or just aren't happy to spend so much time being with a hobbyist. But that isn't true of Miss Molly Mae Daniels. She is the real deal. It's a pity for those of us in the Cincinnati area that Molly travels so much, but I suppose a girl's got to do what a girl's got to do.Awesome report. Would love to discuss the recent events surrounding the Higgs boson while mesmerized by those eyes. Great adventure you had. Stay safe. JG
MollyDaniels
10-09-12, 08:53
I can discuss any type of scientific theory with you when I get back next month.
Raleigh this week, the dirty south next week, and Cancun the week after that.
I'll be back to Cincy around the first of November.
Kisses,
Molly
TMaxxx5324
10-11-12, 19:03
What is up with all the no African American ads, a bratha got a need too. I'm not going to pay you with wooden nickels, and yeah I maybe a little bit more charismatic then some others, but really my green is good too and I just have needs like other people. So if anyone knows anybody who doesn't have barriers, of the color variety, drop me a line because I would like to have a more permanent solution 4 my problem. I'm 46 years old I just want someone to play with.
Willow1535
10-21-12, 19:47
That is insane that you and the girls have had to deal with this crap. What happened with the guys that called the police and gave them your room number? Since you know the guy that raped you, are you considering pressing charges? He should not get away with it.
Erika and I have encountered a rash of creeps in the last few days, from people trying to hurt us, to people who enjoy the session and then don't pay, (oops forgot my wallet! What man walks out of the house without their wallet) to those guys that want to pay for a half hour then stay an hour or more and just chit chat.
We have even had two dudes on seperate occassions that never made an appointment, but somehow knew where we were, then just stopped by, waited in the lobby followed us back to the room, when we would not see them, they called the cops from the hall of the incall, and gave them the room number. Twice that has happened.
I had a black dude the other day, who I knew, but had never had as a client, who was simply too large of a member to fit inside of me, who forced me down and basically rapes me, then took his money off of the table, while I was crying, and walked out.
We do our very best to keep casual, and to be polite and non invasive with clients, but its starting to really get to us.
We don't want to go the bodyguard route cause it will scare the legitimate clients off, but this crap is getting ridiculous. Were both about 125 pounds, not enough mass to deal with a bad client, so we have to do something to protect ourselves from these types of guys.
Were having to go to pay up front instead of paying at the end, staying within minutes of a support person if we have to holler for help.
Jackson needs to have a section where we can post the informaton we have on creeps so other providers can avoid them, from no shows, to non payers, to these scary types.
This kind of crap happens to providers, so it is what it is, but we are going to step our game to protect ourselves.
Thanks for letting me vent.
Crissee
Erika and I have encountered a rash of creeps in the last few days, from people trying to hurt us, to people who enjoy the session and then don't pay, (oops forgot my wallet! What man walks out of the house without their wallet) to those guys that want to pay for a half hour then stay an hour or more and just chit chat.
We have even had two dudes on seperate occassions that never made an appointment, but somehow knew where we were, then just stopped by, waited in the lobby followed us back to the room, when we would not see them, they called the cops from the hall of the incall, and gave them the room number. Twice that has happened.
I had a black dude the other day, who I knew, but had never had as a client, who was simply too large of a member to fit inside of me, who forced me down and basically rapes me, then took his money off of the table, while I was crying, and walked out.
We do our very best to keep casual, and to be polite and non invasive with clients, but its starting to really get to us.
We don't want to go the bodyguard route cause it will scare the legitimate clients off, but this crap is getting ridiculous. Were both about 125 pounds, not enough mass to deal with a bad client, so we have to do something to protect ourselves from these types of guys.
Were having to go to pay up front instead of paying at the end, staying within minutes of a support person if we have to holler for help.
Jackson needs to have a section where we can post the informaton we have on creeps so other providers can avoid them, from no shows, to non payers, to these scary types.
This kind of crap happens to providers, so it is what it is, but we are going to step our game to protect ourselves.
Thanks for letting me vent.
CrisseeDamn that's terrible. I hope you have some good way to communicate to other ladies who these people are and what they've done.
I'd like to think there is some way to let the guys in on these creeps and as a community ostracize these jerks.
This report makes me very sad. You guys are good ladies and do not deserve to be treated this way. I am so sorry you guys are experiencing this unacceptable behavior. Please be safe and stay close to vetted good clients.
I have had so many guys try to "negotiate" with me on my rates. They are not negotiable. I'm not lowering them for anyone. Sorry but I have a business to run here and how would you feel if you showed up to get your paycheck and it was half of what you had earned? Youd be pissaed right? And when guys cancel and say "oh I'm sorry you're almost here how about another day?" its like what if you showed up to get your check and they told you "its not here maybe another day it will be here." yeah pissed again. So think about that before you bail on an appt. This is how we feed our kids and survive and pay bills. It is my only job. And probably its that way for most of us girls in this business. Some guys think we should lower the rates for them for whatever reason they have and I'm sorry but I only do specials for my regulars bc they keep comin back ya know? I'm sorry I had to get this off my chest its been eating at me all week.Everyone needs to vent from time to time. As far as negotiating goes I am guilty of that. But I always thought that senior members of this site would get a 10% discount. Now some providers will honor that and some won't. But I agree that you are the one providing the services therefore you should charge and receive what you are asking for. As far as being stood up there no excuse for it. From provider or clients. I know shit happens and my phone died or I need a babysitter excuse. But the way I feel is that were are supposed to be adults and therefore know where we need to be at set time. And if you can't then you need to let that person know. Hope it get better for you and experienceless problems
Dilli Gara
10-23-12, 23:28
I have had so many guys try to "negotiate" with me on my rates. They are not negotiable. I'm not lowering them for anyone. Sorry but I have a business to run here and how would you feel if you showed up to get your paycheck and it was half of what you had earned? Youd be pissed right? And when guys cancel and say "oh I'm sorry you're almost here how about another day?" its like what if you showed up to get your check and they told you "its not here maybe another day it will be here." yeah pissed again. So think about that before you bail on an appt. This is how we feed our kids and survive and pay bills. It is my only job. And probably its that way for most of us girls in this business. Some guys think we should lower the rates for them for whatever reason they have and I'm sorry but I only do specials for my regulars bc they keep comin back ya know? I'm sorry I had to get this off my chest its been eating at me all week.Actually this could have been written by any commissioned sales person or small business owner in the city. I feel your pain every day in my job! And so does every phone solicitor, car salesmen, realtor, loan officer, and other commissioned sales rep. Like it or not, that is the reality of the society and economic situation in our country. Also remember, SHIT HAPPENS! Everyday more and more out of control shit happens in life! It isn't right, but it is reality.
There are many people out there that also feel your pain Sylvie. Hopefully everyone that puts up this kind of crap in their job will make an extra effort to be more considerate!
Thanks for your rant!
Be safe,
Dilli
Erika and I have encountered a rash of creeps in the last few days, from people trying to hurt us, to people who enjoy the session and then don't pay, (oops forgot my wallet! What man walks out of the house without their wallet) to those guys that want to pay for a half hour then stay an hour or more and just chit chat.
We have even had two dudes on seperate occassions that never made an appointment, but somehow knew where we were, then just stopped by, waited in the lobby followed us back to the room, when we would not see them, they called the cops from the hall of the incall, and gave them the room number. Twice that has happened.
I had a black dude the other day, who I knew, but had never had as a client, who was simply too large of a member to fit inside of me, who forced me down and basically rapes me, then took his money off of the table, while I was crying, and walked out.
We do our very best to keep casual, and to be polite and non invasive with clients, but its starting to really get to us.
We don't want to go the bodyguard route cause it will scare the legitimate clients off, but this crap is getting ridiculous. Were both about 125 pounds, not enough mass to deal with a bad client, so we have to do something to protect ourselves from these types of guys.
Were having to go to pay up front instead of paying at the end, staying within minutes of a support person if we have to holler for help.
Jackson needs to have a section where we can post the informaton we have on creeps so other providers can avoid them, from no shows, to non payers, to these scary types.
This kind of crap happens to providers, so it is what it is, but we are going to step our game to protect ourselves.
Thanks for letting me vent.
CrisseeI don't know if there's ever going to be a section to list bad clients, though it wouldn't be a bad idea. As it is, there are enough providers on the boards now that it shouldn't be hard to make a list of them and share your info via PMs. And, honestly, this information could be posted in general reports or rants and raves too. Since it may involve PII, it's probably best left to PMs anyway though.
No one should ever be raped under any circumstances. Because of the circumstances in your case, your ability to prosecute it is practically nil, which is unfortunate.
Unlike some others on here, I don't have any qualms about putting my money down upfront, for the very reason that I understand providers have a legitimate risk of being ripped off and are at a disadvantage physically in any altercation (at least I am unlikely to be attracted to a provider who could beat me up.). This has caused me to lose some money, but I do actually think it's fair.
RegulatorD
10-24-12, 12:53
That pisses me off too, since I have seen both Crissie and Erika and both gave great service. There are too many assholes in cincy
Buster6914
10-24-12, 13:19
Sorry, I just don't think it's good practice to pay up front. I don't pay my barber, dentist, lawyer, plumber, contractor, accountant, etc, etc, up front. I don't think you pay (or tip) for a service before it is received. I understand that some providers are worried about being ripped off, just as some of us are worried about non performance of services contracted. Being in business requires taking financial risks, but in no way should it ever be a risk to safety.
I also believe that a seller has the right to set his, or her, price no matter what is being sold. The buyer also has the right to ask if a better deal or discount is available. If not available the seller should just say no, then it's up to the buyer to decide to proceed with the transaction or not. It's the way businesses operate, especially a personal service service business.
Obviously if buyers, sellers and posters would just treat each other with respect this board, this business and this hobby would be much more enjoyable.
That's my 2 cents.
Have fun, be safe.
B
SoloHunter
10-25-12, 20:57
Erika and I have encountered a rash of creeps in the last few days, from people trying to hurt us, to people who enjoy the session and then don't pay, (oops forgot my wallet! What man walks out of the house without their wallet) to those guys that want to pay for a half hour then stay an hour or more and just chit chat.
We have even had two dudes on seperate occassions that never made an appointment, but somehow knew where we were, then just stopped by, waited in the lobby followed us back to the room, when we would not see them, they called the cops from the hall of the incall, and gave them the room number. Twice that has happened.
I had a black dude the other day, who I knew, but had never had as a client, who was simply too large of a member to fit inside of me, who forced me down and basically rapes me, then took his money off of the table, while I was crying, and walked out.
We do our very best to keep casual, and to be polite and non invasive with clients, but its starting to really get to us.
We don't want to go the bodyguard route cause it will scare the legitimate clients off, but this crap is getting ridiculous. Were both about 125 pounds, not enough mass to deal with a bad client, so we have to do something to protect ourselves from these types of guys.
Were having to go to pay up front instead of paying at the end, staying within minutes of a support person if we have to holler for help.
Jackson needs to have a section where we can post the informaton we have on creeps so other providers can avoid them, from no shows, to non payers, to these scary types.
This kind of crap happens to providers, so it is what it is, but we are going to step our game to protect ourselves.
Thanks for letting me vent.
CrisseeCrissee,
I realize I have never met you, but was quite disturbed when I read your post. I certainly don't have the solution for you, but I wish / hope this is an isolated incident and will never happen againg
Please stay safe, Solo
I don't mind hair, as long as your are well clean, and I haven't had a problem with that with any of my clients. I even have shaved 3 of my clients and it was rather erotic and very sensual. If you come from work, or not straight from home, you have been more than courteous to take a quick shower to freshen up the boys and I very much appreciate that.
Be Safe,
AllyAlly has a great point, if you aren't going to trim, or shave, at least wash WITH SOAP!
LOL!
To answer Sylvie's question, one possible answer for not shaving or trimming things neatly is that they may have a wife or girlfriend. It is no secret that many "attached" guys hobby for the oral sex. They may not be getting that at home. That can put them in a bind if they have never shaved or trimmed before down there.
Try to think like the other woman for a moment. Just imagine how many red flags that would set off if your husband or boyfriend suddenly began shaving or trimming down there, and also being keenly aware that you were not giving him blowjobs and that it was a hot-point in your relationship?
That is no excuse for not being clean though. Just one reason why a guy might not be doing radical changes in his grooming.
Luckily, I have a perfect excuse, being a bit overweight-pubic hair has chaffing issues.
Ally, I love the idea of a shaving session-that does sound erotic-do you charge extra? LOL! I was just thinking how damn hard it is for a guy of my girth to be sure he is shaving everything, and also not trying to shave-by-feel around something so. Well, vulnerable.
-PD
Sorry, I just don't think it's good practice to pay up front. I don't pay my barber, dentist, lawyer, plumber, contractor, accountant, etc, etc, up front. I don't think you pay (or tip) for a service before it is received. I understand that some providers are worried about being ripped off, just as some of us are worried about non performance of services contracted. Being in business requires taking financial risks, but in no way should it ever be a risk to safety.
I also believe that a seller has the right to set his, or her, price no matter what is being sold. The buyer also has the right to ask if a better deal or discount is available. If not available the seller should just say no, then it's up to the buyer to decide to proceed with the transaction or not. It's the way businesses operate, especially a personal service service business.
Obviously if buyers, sellers and posters would just treat each other with respect this board, this business and this hobby would be much more enjoyable.
That's my 2 cents.
Have fun, be safe.
BThat with your barber, lawyer, accountant, dentist, contractor etc. You're not engaging them anonymously for an illegal activity in a private room where you enjoy considerable physical advantages. And, in at least some of those other cases, a retainer or upfront insurance information is required. So I'm not sure the analogy on upfront payment is quite spot on.
By the nature of this board, we hear a lot about the ripoffs of customers by providers. But my guess is that it happens the other way around a lot more often.
Just sayin, I haven't always paid upfront, but will do so if asked and the situation feels right.
Sorry, I just don't think it's good practice to pay up front. I don't pay my barber, dentist, lawyer, plumber, contractor, accountant, etc, etc, up front. I don't think you pay (or tip) for a service before it is received. I understand that some providers are worried about being ripped off, just as some of us are worried about non performance of services contracted. Being in business requires taking financial risks, but in no way should it ever be a risk to safety.
I also believe that a seller has the right to set his, or her, price no matter what is being sold. The buyer also has the right to ask if a better deal or discount is available. If not available the seller should just say no, then it's up to the buyer to decide to proceed with the transaction or not. It's the way businesses operate, especially a personal service service business.
Obviously if buyers, sellers and posters would just treat each other with respect this board, this business and this hobby would be much more enjoyable.
That's my 2 cents.
Have fun, be safe.
BThis topic is often batted around on boards like this. Usually there are folks that are adamant one way or another, and it is usually because they have had a bad experience in the past. For the ladies, that means some guy manages to get the services from a gal, and then claims he left his wallet down in the car, and poof, he is in the wind. For the gents, it means they have been cashed and dashed, or even worse, rolled by a pimp or boyfriend for everything they had on them, and get the wonderful parting gift of a few bruises or a concussion.
There are valid points to both sides of the argument about when payment should be made.
That is why, it is smart to rely on the Switzerland approach for first meets:
Use a white envelope-do not seal it-put the money in the envelope, tuck the flap in so that green shows (so the lady knows there isn't Monopoly money or newspaper clippings) and place the envelope where both parties can see it during the session like on the TV or drawer counter top.
When playtime is over the lady, scoops up the envelope and can count it in the bathroom when she cleans up.
No muss-no fuss.
Of course some jerk could hide singles between twenties, which goes to show you that no plan would be foolproof, but this is probably the safest approach for both parties that you can come up with, hence the staying power of the good old fashioned envelope.
Just for the record, on your poor analogy about a barber, contractor etc. First, these ladies are not exactly in the same sector of the service industry as those other professions, but even those professions often have safeguards. Especially once you are above the barber at value level, say anything over $100:
You will get no service up front from an attorney-they will ask for a retainer. Often contractors expect a deposit. You doctor usually asks for a copayment and proof of insurance BEFORE you go back to the exam room. Hell, you now have to prepay your gasoline at the pump. The reality is, very few merchants of any type trust you beyond fifty bucks.
Get over it. If the lady wants the money up front, either do as she requests, or shop around until you find a lady with a policy you like better. Good luck with that.
HelpMeRhonda
10-29-12, 14:23
Ok, I don't normally get into the whole rants, but you gentlemen do ask and require discretion, as a provider, I ask for the same,
My clients understand that and repect me for it, I ask in my ad for no explicit questions, yet some still feel they can ask, which in turn.
Results in not seeing that particular person, please guys, give me the same respect you require. I do have a life outside of what I choose and love.
Doing to earn a living. I understand you all have questions regarding the services you are going to get, but to blatantly ask a provider via text or on the phone.
Is not the way to go. I am a private person and ask my privacy and what happens behind closed doors be repected. Now that said Let the Fun Continue! Rhonda.
BTW, Thank you to all my clients who have respected my requests.
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I can remember a day when providers almost never posted on this board. I often don't mind when they do, because it's often interesting. But I do mind when they start bashing each other, which adds a whole other layer of stupidity to a board that increasingly has little else. And, as I've said before, I think it rarely helps the business of any provider to get involved in debates on this board.
So, I've put Alexandria513 on my ignore list. I suggest everyone else do likewise, then follow through by actually ignoring her. She's a troll, basically. I'm going to spend a lot more time using this function broadly in the future, in fact.
I would add that I'm no white knight for Ally, haven't seen her, don't plan to because she just doesn't seem to be my type. But no one deserves to be bashed just for trying to do their business.
In fact, I'm not sure I would mind a rule in which Forum Advertisers could only post in the advertising section, plus maybe on this thread.
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