[QUOTE=SamSinger;2958888]GroupOn should sponsor a gang bang.[/QUOTE]That is all.
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[QUOTE=SamSinger;2958888]GroupOn should sponsor a gang bang.[/QUOTE]That is all.
[QUOTE=Bob521;2957959]Okay, so I'm helping my friend set up a legit massage shop. No HE of any kind. Just good very strong pressure massage. The perpetual problem for her is this: Guys come to the shop and ask or hint for extras. And when they don't get extras, guys are pissed and leave no tip. Now, I'm certain the average person would leave a modest ($10-$20?) tip if they came for a legit massage and got one. My theory is when a person goes to a shop with certain expectations and they don't happen, the person is generally unhappy.
So here's the question: If you are legit therapist and have a legit shop, what should the shop / therapist do to avoid the problem? My main idea is to somehow make sure the customer knows, before he's paid any money, that it's a legit massage. Then he can make an informed decision. My other idea is to let you members know about the place and the fact that it is legit. I've seen "Professional Massage Only" signs in some shops. Also, no ads in Backpage or Craigslist. No miniskirts. No teasing or other suggestive hints by the girl. No table shower. Any other ideas? Thanks guys! Bob.[/QUOTE]Have her hand every new client a clipboard with a 3 page questionnaire about any surgery the client has had and full name and email, current health, trouble spots, etc.
Then when the massage starts make sure the client is draped from toe to neck with a sheet that is at least twice as big as it needs to be and only uncover the area being worked on.
Then follow this up with a massage so good it puts the client to sleep.
I've had the above happen to me at a spa. There was no way I was going to try for extras. Message received loud and clear it was a legit place.
Just my. 02.
Thrillseeker.
[QUOTE=Thrillseeker2;2960060]Have her hand every new client a clipboard with a 3 page questionnaire about any surgery the client has had and full name and email, current health, trouble spots, etc.
Then when the massage starts make sure the client is draped from toe to neck with a sheet that is at least twice as big as it needs to be and only uncover the area being worked on.
Then follow this up with a massage so good it puts the client to sleep.
I've had the above happen to me at a spa. There was no way I was going to try for extras. Message received loud and clear it was a legit place.
Just my. 02.
Thrillseeker.[/QUOTE]Yup, have that happen to be in Lake Zurich and DeerField. Never asked for extras as didn't seem like worth the effort.
[QUOTE=PwnLife;2958292]What about asking for the tip as part of the door fee? And maybe advertise no tip necessary but appreciated? Call it a "Certified Massage Therapist Tip" or something. As a monger, I might be pissed off and not come back or maybe won't even patronize the place in the first place (which is probably better for you anyways), since you don't want that kind of customer.
Don't have lockable doors, just curtains. Have open ceilings. Have fragile massage tables that can't bear the weight of having sex.[/QUOTE]I agree with the curtains and walls that do not go all of the up. I was at a massage parlor in Shanghai that used heavy curtains to separate the rooms instead of actual walls. I could not see anyone trying for extras with that kind of set up. I certainly did not and most Chinese massage parlors on China include HE in the massage as standard. No tipping.
Maybe install fake cameras that are somewhat hidden but also easy to spot along with signs that state something about electronic surveillance. That would definitely be a boner killer and should deter mongers who are only interested in extras.
I'm a legit regular (every two weeks) at Heavenly Massage and they are 95% legit. But they have (1) uniforms, sort of (2) a beauty parlor inside (3) groupons (4) a questionaire and email notifications. (5) nice standing shower with steam to clean off the oil. (6) full draped sheets. (7) Well done website. (8) Female yelp reviews. Frankly, it's one of the better legit massage establishments I know. It does most of the recommended things. It's mainly Euro. Bob.
[QUOTE=Thrillseeker2;2960060]Have her hand every new client a clipboard with a 3 page questionnaire about any surgery the client has had and full name and email, current health, trouble spots, etc.
Then when the massage starts make sure the client is draped from toe to neck with a sheet that is at least twice as big as it needs to be and only uncover the area being worked on.
Then follow this up with a massage so good it puts the client to sleep.
I've had the above happen to me at a spa. There was no way I was going to try for extras. Message received loud and clear it was a legit place.
Just my. 02.
Thrillseeker.[/QUOTE]
Hey guys,
Long time reader, and figured it's time for me to start contributing.
I decided to bite the bullet and try the Latin place that advertises from time to time on BP. A maps site can also help find them, located in the NW part of the city north of what I'd think of as Logan Square. The place is behind an what looks like a cheap garage, with an unmarked door on the side. My provider let me in, revealing a room with a crappy couch and old TV which was on. Although they advertised a 'table shower,' the setup was really barebones and DIY. I'd asked for an hour but the provider "recommended" a half hour.
The provider, a 5 ft chubby curvy (as opposed to sexy curved) girl maybe in her early 20's led me to a partitioned area made of concrete cinderblocks that did not lead to the ceiling. It looked like there was another 'room' next door, which, if they ever had two providers working, could have been highly awkward.
I got the lightest, most cursory massage I'd had in a while, followed by a short menu with firm prices on the flip; asking for $. 6 for a HJ which seemed on the high side. The girl seemed like she didn't really enjoy or care about what she was doing, and didn't seem to want to hide it.
Other people might have better luck, especially with other providers, but I know I won't be returning.
[QUOTE=Bob521;2960409]I'm a legit regular (every two weeks) at Heavenly Massage and they are 95% legit. But they have (1) uniforms, sort of (2) a beauty parlor inside (3) groupons (4) a questionaire and email notifications. (5) nice standing shower with steam to clean off the oil. (6) full draped sheets. (7) Well done website. (8) Female yelp reviews. Frankly, it's one of the better legit massage establishments I know. It does most of the recommended things. It's mainly Euro. Bob.[/QUOTE]It seems like there's no such thing as 100% legit, really. There's almost always one girl who is willing to go off the plan, or a few that will go a 5% outside of the rules. Keeps it interesting when you go for a legit and get a unexpected bonus w / o trying.
Which 5% is it, Bob? Do 5% of the girls give extras or the girls give 5% extra (self serve, light touching, eg).
I have a seemingly totally-legit place with at least 2 girls eventually doing side work after seeing them semi-regularly for legit for a few years, and almost entirely at their suggestion.
PM ok.
BB.
I always make sure a Massage Therapist offers Extra Play at the first visit. I'm not one that makes numerous visits hoping to get a HJ.
There's one person at HM that sees me at her home. Can't reveal her name. I've heard of other freelancers from HM. My regular appointment is a woman I've known 6 years. She's married. But we are conventional friends (no benefits). Also, all 3 of my FWB Chinese girlfriends (and others I've met over the years) were legit masseuses at legit places.
I guess I'm trying to say it is possible to develop a genuine relationship with any person, (legit or otherwise) that will lead to a physical / romantic relationship.
I guess that's one of the reasons I'm sensitive to the "no tip" scenarios. Every day I hear stories from all three woman about massages with no tips. We live in such a fucked-up society that we have to use stupid hints about extras. Both the masseuse and the customer would be better off if both knew what was on the menu (and off the menu) before we wasted our money (or offended the woman). I know every guy on the forum would tip a woman for a good massage if he knew going in, that's all it would be.
Bob
[QUOTE=BenBeck;2960487]It seems like there's no such thing as 100% legit, really. There's almost always one girl who is willing to go off the plan, or a few that will go a 5% outside of the rules. Keeps it interesting when you go for a legit and get a unexpected bonus w / o trying.
Which 5% is it, Bob? Do 5% of the girls give extras or the girls give 5% extra (self serve, light touching, eg).
I have a seemingly totally-legit place with at least 2 girls eventually doing side work after seeing them semi-regularly for legit for a few years, and almost entirely at their suggestion.
PM ok.
BB.[/QUOTE]
I had two very different experiences here on my two trips. The first time the girl was DFK right out of the gates, and pretty much said I could do whatever I wanted to her. She wasn't the girl in the pics and much heavier so I opted to have her give me a CBJ - $. 60 all in as quoted on the website.
Second time there sounded much for like your experience. Mediocre.
[QUOTE=HunterP;2960450]Hey guys,
Long time reader, and figured it's time for me to start contributing.
I decided to bite the bullet and try the Latin place that advertises from time to time on BP. A maps site can also help find them, located in the NW part of the city north of what I'd think of as Logan Square. The place is behind an what looks like a cheap garage, with an unmarked door on the side. My provider let me in, revealing a room with a crappy couch and old TV which was on. Although they advertised a 'table shower,' the setup was really barebones and DIY. I'd asked for an hour but the provider "recommended" a half hour.
The provider, a 5 ft chubby curvy (as opposed to sexy curved) girl maybe in her early 20's led me to a partitioned area made of concrete cinderblocks that did not lead to the ceiling. It looked like there was another 'room' next door, which, if they ever had two providers working, could have been highly awkward.
I got the lightest, most cursory massage I'd had in a while, followed by a short menu with firm prices on the flip; asking for $. 6 for a HJ which seemed on the high side. The girl seemed like she didn't really enjoy or care about what she was doing, and didn't seem to want to hide it.
Other people might have better luck, especially with other providers, but I know I won't be returning.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=RonM;2960525]I always make sure a Massage Therapist offers Extra Play at the first visit. I'm not one that makes numerous visits hoping to get a HJ.[/QUOTE]To each his own. I like to get a good legit massage often and without any expectation or attempt for extras. The best legit massages have usually come from licensed pros, and I stick with a few go-tos. It also has happened that, in a couple of cases, after getting to know them and developing a genuine mutual fondness, things turned naturally in another direction.
So, it's not the only possible scenario to be desperately hanging on, wasting their money and time in the unlikely hope that it might come through. It's sometimes just a nice surprise bonus, as I said.
I'm guessing anyone looking for something extra pretty much knows how and where. Some guys also seem to like the sport of the chase. Not me.
Respect,
BB.
[QUOTE=Bob521;2960547]There's one person at HM that sees me at her home. Can't reveal her name. I've heard of other freelancers from HM. My regular appointment is a woman I've known 6 years. She's married. But we are conventional friends (no benefits). Also, all 3 of my FWB Chinese girlfriends (and others I've met over the years) were legit masseuses at legit places.
I guess I'm trying to say it is possible to develop a genuine relationship with any person, (legit or otherwise) that will lead to a physical / romantic relationship.
I guess that's one of the reasons I'm sensitive to the "no tip" scenarios. Every day I hear stories from all three woman about massages with no tips. We live in such a fucked-up society that we have to use stupid hints about extras. Both the masseuse and the customer would be better off if both knew what was on the menu (and off the menu) before we wasted our money (or offended the woman). I know every guy on the forum would tip a woman for a good massage if he knew going in, that's all it would be.
Bob[/QUOTE]I always tip something based on the quality of the massage even if there are no extras involved. If I go in hoping for extras and do not get anything it is not the therapists fault for my expectations. Therapist who try to negotiate an outrageous tip upfront are somewhat of an exception. In one or two cases we could not agree an cost of extras and I was significantly shorted on time and given a less than mediocre finger poking. I did not tip and explained why. Paid for hour got 35 minutes and no attempt at a real massage.
[QUOTE=BenBeck;2959254]Grope on, That is all.[/QUOTE]Ha. I was not sure if any of you will catch my drift. If GroupOn does not do a Group On (Gang bang) who will? :)
This happened to me recently. I went to an old ATF at her one woman shop. Exchanged hugs and she closed and locked the door behind me or so I thought. The door didn't click into the latch as I would soon discover. She escorts me into the back into the massage room I undress completely, lie down and she begins her massage, door to massage room open cause why not, we are behind an outer glass door, the door to her massage parlor, the one I thought was locked and yet another door to the rear that was left open.
I don't know maybe 30 minutes goes by and while still meeting a modified definition of the term 'face down ass up' I hear a man's voice go 'oh' and she rushes out of the room saying, can I help you'. She is leading him back towards the front, I sit up and hear him say ' I just wanted some information' . She leads him all the way back to the front, answers his questions quickly and gets back to me. She said oh my god I thought I locked the door but it didn't latch close. The part that was creepy and weird was when he opened the not latched door and entered the office foyer, never said anything like 'hello, anyone here' and wait for a response, nope he came right in, we didn't hear him and got surprised (we did have the universal korean massage parlor mix tape playing) All I can say is that maybe him discovering me there, thru him off his intentions or he was just a creepy dude.
Needless to say it was a bit of bone killer but I finished what I came for. As I was getting dressed, she said earlier a monger who claimed she knew him, asked her to come to his home for $$$ but she declined cause she said she didn't think she knew him and didn't want anything to happen to her as she made the universal sign for throat slashing. She works alone cause she said girls get jealous when they work together in a massage parlor and bicker and gossip. I told her 'korean ladies bicker and gossip, get out' her face turned serious for a moment until she realized wired one had made a funny.
A monger also called and said he would be there at 6:30 pm so I told her I would call at 8 pm to make sure everything was okay. I did call and she said she was okay and for being nice, no charge for my full set massage next weekend (a massage parlor may advertise as a half-set (HE) or a full-set (full service) massage parlor when they advertise for ladies in the korean language newspapers).
So always be aware and as Bob521 says (for those of you who didn't already know) treat the ladies with some common decency and you may be rewarded.
Wired.
Well the only thing this is missing is a LEO sighting.
[QUOTE=Wirelessone;2962064]This happened to me recently. I went to an old ATF at her one woman shop. Exchanged hugs and she closed and locked the door behind me or so I thought. The door didn't click into the latch as I would soon discover. She escorts me into the back into the massage room I undress completely, lie down and she begins her massage, door to massage room open cause why not, we are behind an outer glass door, the door to her massage parlor, the one I thought was locked and yet another door to the rear that was left open.
I don't know maybe 30 minutes goes by and while still meeting a modified definition of the term 'face down ass up' I hear a man's voice go 'oh' and she rushes out of the room saying, can I help you'. She is leading him back towards the front, I sit up and hear him say ' I just wanted some information' . She leads him all the way back to the front, answers his questions quickly and gets back to me. She said oh my god I thought I locked the door but it didn't latch close. The part that was creepy and weird was when he opened the not latched door and entered the office foyer, never said anything like 'hello, anyone here' and wait for a response, nope he came right in, we didn't hear him and got surprised (we did have the universal korean massage parlor mix tape playing) All I can say is that maybe him discovering me there, thru him off his intentions or he was just a creepy dude.
Needless to say it was a bit of bone killer but I finished what I came for. As I was getting dressed, she said earlier a monger who claimed she knew him, asked her to come to his home for $$$ but she declined cause she said she didn't think she knew him and didn't want anything to happen to her as she made the universal sign for throat slashing. She works alone cause she said girls get jealous when they work together in a massage parlor and bicker and gossip. I told her 'korean ladies bicker and gossip, get out' her face turned serious for a moment until she realized wired one had made a funny.
A monger also called and said he would be there at 6:30 pm so I told her I would call at 8 pm to make sure everything was okay. I did call and she said she was okay and for being nice, no charge for my full set massage next weekend (a massage parlor may advertise as a half-set (HE) or a full-set (full service) massage parlor when they advertise for ladies in the korean language newspapers).
So always be aware and as Bob521 says (for those of you who didn't already know) treat the ladies with some common decency and you may be rewarded.
Wired.[/QUOTE]