Western Track/Jefferson Track

[James D 2004]

That's the service nowadays man. You have to find a independent / renegade girl or UTR. All these pimped hos are nickel and diming for everything now or just plain being restrictive. Its ridiculous. That's why I switched over to nonpros and sugaring. I started in this mongering world first with street hos back in the mid 90's, then got into AMP / LMP and Korean AAMP, Latina Casitas. Then into nonpros / sugaring since 2011. In between all those years I've also had real girlfriends and have taken breaks from the P4P world. The street hos back then, even pimped, weren't as restrictive as they are now. It was always usually covered. But not the nickel and diming they do for everything now. I occasionally pick up UTR hos in downtown. Just because they're cheap and satisfies my itch to street monger. But my main P4 P now is nonpro / sugaring. Hopefully you'll catch a renegade the next cruise and have a better experience.

Also since this is known to be happening now with all the restrictions. It's best to ask upfront what the chic is ok with not just the basics if its going to be bj or bj and fuck. What positions, playing with your tits, fingering, etc. Its best to make clear the expectations upfront. And I've told hos sometimes when I've had my suspicions that they're going to possibly give bad service. That I'm only giving them half upfront. They get the other half after if the service was good and / or as agreed upon. Some chics agree to it and some don't. If they don't then you most likely were going to get bad service. These hos know how to work us. Because of their looks and think we're desperate for them. But we should also know how to work them. Because it's our money. I always say this. I don't give a fuck how hot a girl is. I'm about my money too and don't want to get hustled out of it. Just because a chic thinks she's hot and I'll give it up freely because of that. I don't let myself get upcharged /upsold because of looks. If we agreed on a price and you said you were going to deliver a certain service. Then that better happen. Otherwise you're getting less than pre-agreed amount. Always think with the big head not the little head. I learned that shit a long time ago on these mongering streets.

You can ask what is included for your money. An almost naked girl aren't going to work for LE. But it's likely they will walk away in case you are LE. Some don't do that, some can't. I picked up a hot young girl who promised breast feeding for $20. When I went for it she bounced back on the wall. She tried to keep her promise but bounced again. She ended up giving me a fake number. Once a normal night with numerous girls, I spent hours looking for someone who does. Soon everyone recognized my car, me feeling like a monster looking for BBBD, backdoor. I'm not suggesting it but one way to do it is to give them that when everyone is asking for $120 if they think they are hot. If they ask $20 more to go nude or breast feeding, go for it if you think it's worth it. They have hundreds of ways to waste your hundred dollars.

[Lexx1]

Skinny half asian half black looking girl. Usually stays in that small street across 7-11. Wanted 120 countered with 100 she agreed and hopped in. First flag was she didn't have condoms on her. Wanted to go buy some. Told her no you go in and buy it I wasn't leaving her alone in my car. She grabbed some and we went off to her selected spot which was flag 2. Got in position and when putting on condom told me I have 15 minutes which is immediate boner killer for me. No back rubbing allowed. No tittie touching allowed, only ass which wasn't much to get me off. Wasn't getting hard from her lame BJ so called it off took my losses and dropped her off. I don't indulge that much anymore nowadays but service had really gotten crappy on the streets. If any of yall can recommend any good service girls on Western let a brother know.

That's the service nowadays man. You have to find a independent / renegade girl or UTR. All these pimped hos are nickel and diming for everything now or just plain being restrictive. Its ridiculous. That's why I switched over to nonpros and sugaring. I started in this mongering world first with street hos back in the mid 90's, then got into AMP / LMP and Korean AAMP, Latina Casitas. Then into nonpros / sugaring since 2011. In between all those years I've also had real girlfriends and have taken breaks from the P4P world. The street hos back then, even pimped, weren't as restrictive as they are now. It was always usually covered. But not the nickel and diming they do for everything now. I occasionally pick up UTR hos in downtown. Just because they're cheap and satisfies my itch to street monger. But my main P4 P now is nonpro / sugaring. Hopefully you'll catch a renegade the next cruise and have a better experience.

Also since this is known to be happening now with all the restrictions. It's best to ask upfront what the chic is ok with not just the basics if its going to be bj or bj and fuck. What positions, playing with your tits, fingering, etc. Its best to make clear the expectations upfront. And I've told hos sometimes when I've had my suspicions that they're going to possibly give bad service. That I'm only giving them half upfront. They get the other half after if the service was good and / or as agreed upon. Some chics agree to it and some don't. If they don't then you most likely were going to get bad service. These hos know how to work us. Because of their looks and think we're desperate for them. But we should also know how to work them. Because it's our money. I always say this. I don't give a fuck how hot a girl is. I'm about my money too and don't want to get hustled out of it. Just because a chic thinks she's hot and I'll give it up freely because of that. I don't let myself get upcharged /upsold because of looks. If we agreed on a price and you said you were going to deliver a certain service. Then that better happen. Otherwise you're getting less than pre-agreed amount. Always think with the big head not the little head. I learned that shit a long time ago on these mongering streets.

[Ghost323]

Skinny half asian half black looking girl. Usually stays in that small street across 7-11. Wanted 120 countered with 100 she agreed and hopped in. First flag was she didn't have condoms on her. Wanted to go buy some. Told her no you go in and buy it I wasn't leaving her alone in my car. She grabbed some and we went off to her selected spot which was flag 2. Got in position and when putting on condom told me I have 15 minutes which is immediate boner killer for me. No back rubbing allowed. No tittie touching allowed, only ass which wasn't much to get me off. Wasn't getting hard from her lame BJ so called it off took my losses and dropped her off. I don't indulge that much anymore nowadays but service had really gotten crappy on the streets. If any of yall can recommend any good service girls on Western let a brother know.

[Christophe1]

Thank you. That's the kind of helpful info I was hoping to get here.

Day time is really good on Fig too. As I stated before she looks like someone who I saw out on Western around 8 am or there abouts. Not sure if it was weekend or weekdays though.

[Taliesin92]

Well if you been out the game for 20 years maybe you should stick to what you know.

Try keeping up with the discussion. As I said in my previous post, I haven't been out of the P4 P game. Just out of the SW game. I've been banging k-girls since you were in kindergarten.

Why are you so worried? Afraid I might steal your girls? LOL!

[Taliesin92]

If you're trying to find one that looks like her then you need to be cruising on Fig and mostly at night. Western is a quieter track and more for nonBlack girls. You get more of the White, Latina and if lucky the Asian hos. Fig has more of the Black hos. So that track is better if you're looking for a hot Black girl. But just be prepared to deal with the circus of cars stopping for the girls and wannabe pimps chasing after them. The appeal with the Western track is that it doesn't have all that madness going on. But it usually gets poppin' way after midnight. It doesn't have any hos during the day. Fig has hos any time of day or night. But the hottie gallery kicks in late at night too.

Thank you. That's the kind of helpful info I was hoping to get here.

[Lexx1]

I am familiar with Fig. Where exactly are the SW on western? I drove around there from 15th to 1st in the afternoon, and didn't see anyone.

Newbies. Always read back about at least 10 or 20 pages in a particular thread to familiarize yourself. I actually just posted a few posts down that Western isn't a daytime track. Now go read and catch up!

[Coca Cvs]

I am familiar with Fig. Where exactly are the SW on western? I drove around there from 15th to 1st in the afternoon, and didn't see anyone.

[Lexx1]

My bad. I used the K-provider terminology of GFE- BBBJ, covered FS, DFK and unlimited positions. I picked up a couple other woman before hand and took some pictures passed on other options and dropped them off. Was going to upload the pictures here but later I got hit by a car. Everything went flying including my cellphone that wasn't at the hospital nor later to be found in my destroyed vehicle. Was nervous that someone would find my phone and might propose a nefarious intentions but all toot sweet. I picked her up past Century while I was perusing for a gorgeous tall and thin WSW or Latina who I spoke to earlier who was no longer there. It was around 10:30 am and on the next block I picked this one up. When she hopped in she said she had a room and it was far away so maybe she thought it was a good bargain. After we were through I wanted to give her a tip so went back to my car and that is how I knew she had a girl pimp because she told me she was a lesbian.

I agree that as of January of this year every woman I asked to see if I could give them a ride had a room nearby on the blade and asked for hundred or a hundred buck-twenty. Cannot believe that they upcharge for a second position! That is scandalous and seems paramount to fraudulent inducement. The year before I picked up a few women's numbers in order to meet later. None of them did this. Going back to GFE meaning I don't think I ever ate out a SW (at least in recent memory). I barely will eat out a K-provider. Sorry just got a belly laugh.

The last K-provider I visited misunderstood me and got on top for some 69. She was tall and when she laid on top her pelvic bone pinned my chin and held my head down. I was trying to give her a good licking too but my tongue wasn't long enough to get in and do a good job. It was so frustrating.

And there you have it. LOL.

LOL That sounds more like it. That girl pimp was more likely her girlfriend since you said she's lesbian. A scenario I've seen before. And she was just watching out for her girl.

I had one time in my neighborhood a guy pimp his girlfriend to me. There's a motel not to far in the area with a liquor store across the street. I was buying some drinks and a hot white chic went in ahead of me. I was checking her out and was going to see and try talking to her. After I finished and walking out her bf came up to me and asked if I liked her and might be interested in hooking up with her. I was cautious and ready for any shit to possibly go down. But I went with it and said sure. They were staying at the motel and needed cash. So I got the details and told him I'd go for it but only if he stays outside the room and goes for a walk. I ended up getting a BBBJCIM with some covered fucking for like 60 bucks. I never saw them again. I think he or both were druggies and needed cash for their next fix. She looked healthy, him not the best. So I've seen some fucked up situations. I have other trippy sexual encounter stories but those are for another time.

And I don't mind eating out a street girl that's a utr or independent / renegade. For that I usually take them to a notel and have them shower to freshen up the snatch. If it's a high volume pimped girl, nope.

[FlyWhyteGuy007]

This guy just paranoid, I live nearby and cruise the upper western daily when I'm on my way to work since it's on the way. Most stings go on early evening like 9 pm until 1 am. It does happen a lot but you can definitely tell the difference between a decoy and a real hooker. It's been dead lately though because of frequent visits my uncle LEO, they usually drive in a marked vehicle and shine their spotlight at girls and guys talking to them and that spooks everyone and they just leave. Cops also cruise the small back streets so I've seen people doing carddates get caught. Just be careful and after going a few times just to look you can definitely tell who are hookers but always be on alert and you won't get caught up in a sting.

Why you only cruise? Broke? LOL! Also you admitted to the stings like I said SMH!

[FlyWhyteGuy007]

Why do you think I'm asking here? As I noted in my previous post, it's been 20 years since I picked up a streetwalker. George W was president. LOL! I know the k-girl world quite well, but very little about this side of the hobby. I often drive down Western just to view the options. Most times it's disappointing. I don't see many who look like her. But, as I mentioned, safety is my biggest concern and that's the primary reason for my question.

With k-girls in their luxury apartments, I feel very safe. Driving down Western, not so much.

Well if you been out the game for 20 years maybe you should stick to what you know.

[PriscillaM]

The laundromat at Oakwood and western has good machines. And the prostitutes are awesome. I cannot possibly do a car date in my disgusting car, are there crash hotels near by?

[Lexx1]

This guy just paranoid, I live nearby and cruise the upper western daily when I'm on my way to work since it's on the way. Most stings go on early evening like 9 pm until 1 am. It does happen a lot but you can definitely tell the difference between a decoy and a real hooker. It's been dead lately though because of frequent visits my uncle LEO, they usually drive in a marked vehicle and shine their spotlight at girls and guys talking to them and that spooks everyone and they just leave. Cops also cruise the small back streets so I've seen people doing carddates get caught. Just be careful and after going a few times just to look you can definitely tell who are hookers but always be on alert and you won't get caught up in a sting.

Doesn't surprise me more busts going on, on this section of Western. It used to be shut down for years and I was surprised seeing action return to it in recent years. It had been shut down along with the other Western track section further south starting by Jefferson. The Koreatown section originally began around 2nd st. There used to be two cute Asian pros that worked that intersection along with other girls in their crew. But then many years ago along both sections they started putting the no right turn signs during certain night hours to stop the pros. The Jefferson / Western section hasn't returned. But the Koreatown section did. Those no right turn signs though have never worked on Fig. LOL I don't think they'll ever be able to shut down Fig for good.

[Jbjb1983]

Why do you think I'm asking here? As I noted in my previous post, it's been 20 years since I picked up a streetwalker. George W was president. LOL! I know the k-girl world quite well, but very little about this side of the hobby. I often drive down Western just to view the options. Most times it's disappointing. I don't see many who look like her. But, as I mentioned, safety is my biggest concern and that's the primary reason for my question.

With k-girls in their luxury apartments, I feel very safe. Driving down Western, not so much.

This guy just paranoid, I live nearby and cruise the upper western daily when I'm on my way to work since it's on the way. Most stings go on early evening like 9 pm until 1 am. It does happen a lot but you can definitely tell the difference between a decoy and a real hooker. It's been dead lately though because of frequent visits my uncle LEO, they usually drive in a marked vehicle and shine their spotlight at girls and guys talking to them and that spooks everyone and they just leave. Cops also cruise the small back streets so I've seen people doing carddates get caught. Just be careful and after going a few times just to look you can definitely tell who are hookers but always be on alert and you won't get caught up in a sting.

[Christophe1]

You'd have to provide more details because this is a very rare example if true. My definition of a true GFE is at least going full raw. No rubber for sex or ɓj. You can also do oral on her as well and kissing. If you have to wear a rubber for anything. I don't consider that a full GFE. Also as you mentioned a "pimped" ho traveling and having a room that far from the track is strange. Most pimped hos will want to stay close to the track. And if they have a room it's nearby. The 100 rate and a pimped girl will be all covered, not a GFE and for a very short time. The travel time alone to a room near LAX would eat up the time a regular pimped girl is supposed to be taking care of you. It's a in and out affair with a pimped ho. You get your quick nut and she needs to be back on the track for the next trick.

Christophe I've known you a long time. This isn't my first rodeo on this site. But you like to wax poetic and talk in some very fantastical fantasy terms a lot of times. You sure you weren't smoking the ganja when you had this supposed encounter? I can believe it if the girl was a utr or not pimped. But they are not that common amongst the mostly pimped girls you find on Fig and Western and the usual experience I have described.

My bad. I used the K-provider terminology of GFE- BBBJ, covered FS, DFK and unlimited positions. I picked up a couple other woman before hand and took some pictures passed on other options and dropped them off. Was going to upload the pictures here but later I got hit by a car. Everything went flying including my cellphone that wasn't at the hospital nor later to be found in my destroyed vehicle. Was nervous that someone would find my phone and might propose a nefarious intentions but all toot sweet. I picked her up past Century while I was perusing for a gorgeous tall and thin WSW or Latina who I spoke to earlier who was no longer there. It was around 10:30 am and on the next block I picked this one up. When she hopped in she said she had a room and it was far away so maybe she thought it was a good bargain. After we were through I wanted to give her a tip so went back to my car and that is how I knew she had a girl pimp because she told me she was a lesbian.

I agree that as of January of this year every woman I asked to see if I could give them a ride had a room nearby on the blade and asked for hundred or a hundred buck-twenty. Cannot believe that they upcharge for a second position! That is scandalous and seems paramount to fraudulent inducement. The year before I picked up a few women's numbers in order to meet later. None of them did this. Going back to GFE meaning I don't think I ever ate out a SW (at least in recent memory). I barely will eat out a K-provider. Sorry just got a belly laugh.

The last K-provider I visited misunderstood me and got on top for some 69. She was tall and when she laid on top her pelvic bone pinned my chin and held my head down. I was trying to give her a good licking too but my tongue wasn't long enough to get in and do a good job. It was so frustrating.

And there you have it. LOL.